DRUG STAND NOT NEW TO GOVERNOR

SANTA FE -- Gov. Gary Johnson says he has questioned jailing people for
drug use since he was a senior at Albuquerque's Sandia High School almost
30 years ago.

The 46-year-old Republican remembers a police officer coming to his school
to talk to students about drugs. The officer lit a marijuana cigarette,
Johnson said, and told the class: "This is what pot smells like. Smoke it,
and we're going to put you in jail."

Johnson, who has been in the national spotlight recently for challenging
national drug law policies, said he raised his hand and questioned the
officer: "Sir, are you going to put 25 million regular pot-smoking
Americans in jail? It's not going to work."

"I'll never forget that day," Johnson said in an interview in his Capitol
office last week. "That was in 1971."

Now, in 1999, Johnson's call for a re-examination of the nation's drug
policies has caught some New Mexicans by surprise and stirred criticism
within his own party.

But the governor and those who surround him -- Cabinet aides, political
consultants and his wife -- say the drug-policy positions he has espoused
publicly in New Mexico since late June, and on national television shows
over the past two weeks, aren't spontaneous thoughts. Instead, they say,
they are part of a long-held conviction that fits his political philosophy.

Johnson has emphasized that he is not advocating drug use, which he calls
"a bad choice." But he insists that the nation's war on drugs has failed
and that policy-makers need to consider alternatives, including possibly
legalizing or decriminalizing drugs, which would mean eliminating or
reducing penalties.

"Personally, I have a fundamental problem with putting people in jail for
drug use," Johnson said.

He said he has no plans to push for changes in state policy on drugs. And
he said his two top priorities in New Mexico continue to be striving for a
state income tax cut and taxpayer-financed school vouchers.

"The drug discussion really is national," Johnson said. Some national
experts have challenged Johnson's contention that the war on drugs has
failed, saying the number of Americans currently using illegal drugs has
declined by 50 percent since 1979.

The National Household Survey on Drug Abuse released earlier this month
found that about 13.6 million Americans were drug users -- about half as
many as during a peak in 1979. All told, 78 million Americans have tried
illegal drugs at some point in their lives, the survey found.

"But we're spending more and we're locking more people up," Johnson
countered in the interview last week. "If we've reduced usage by 50 percent
shouldn't that also equate to cost. Shouldn't we be spending 50 percent less?"

A Business Approach

Johnson admitted shortly after he received the Republican nomination for
governor, in the summer of 1994, that he used marijuana and cocaine while
he was a University of New Mexico student in the early 1970s. He first
tried marijuana as a high-school senior, he acknowledged last week.

These days, he is a serious athlete: He's competed in the Ironman
triathalon in Hawaii and plans to climb Mount Everest after he leaves
office. He says he hasn't used drugs since just after college, nor had a
sip of alcohol in the past 12 years.

He has two children, a daughter in college and a son in high school, and is
a former owner of a successful construction business. He campaigned for
office as a "non-politician," and says he has no plans to seek political
office beyond his second term as governor, which runs through 2002.

Johnson said in the interview that he was elected governor because he
pledged to take a common sense, businesslike approach to state government.
And he said his call for discussion of America's drug policies is
consistent with that pledge.

"What I've done since I've been in office is I have just done a
cost-benefit analysis of everything that's come across my desk, whether
that's prisons, whether that's highways, whether that's the Medicaid
system," he said.

"And right now, the glaring cost-benefit analysis that has incredible cost
and no benefit is our war on drugs."

Political consultant Ron Nielson, who worked closely with Johnson on his
two gubernatorial campaigns, says Johnson's drug policy talk matches the
governor's political philosophy.

"He's talking about use of government resources, how best they should be
used, and that's a business issue," said Nielson, who heads R.T. Nielson
Co. of Salt Lake City.

"This is an issue Gary Johnson believes in and that's why he's talking
about it," Nielson said.

Johnson was a first-time candidate and a political unknown when he first
ran for governor in 1994. Consumed by building his business, he had not
previously been active in the Republican Party. University of New Mexico
political science professor Gilbert St. Clair observed that Johnson's most
recent claim to fame reflects what some New Mexicans have suspected about
his true political leanings.

St. Clair said the conservative-minded Johnson's views on drug policies are
consistent with his overall philosophy of wanting to see less government
and more personal responsibility.

"We all know he's really a Libertarian at heart," St. Clair said. "This is
in keeping with a Libertarian view."

Bouncing Ideas

Johnson said he has long wanted to push to change the nation's drug policies.

His wife, Dee Johnson, said it is a subject the governor has brought up
"sitting around with friends over the years."

"He likes to bounce the idea off people, to take the temperature of
people," Dee Johnson said. "And right now, he's in a perfect position to
bring it up. Once he leaves office, he'll just be a voice in the crowd, but
right now he's got that bully pulpit."

Johnson acknowledged that he didn't raise the drug policy issue during his
1994 and 1998 campaigns because, "I didn't have the guts."

"There's nothing that will take you down faster than discussing an issue
like that," his wife noted. "It's such a taboo subject in the political
arena."

Johnson said he has no qualms about bringing up the issue now because he
does not intend to seek another political office.

"This is it for me," he said, referring to his political career.

Brian Sanderoff, president of Research and Polling Inc. in Albuquerque,
said it could have cost Johnson votes to talk about changing the nation's
drug laws during his gubernatorial campaigns.

"Gary Johnson's base tends to be more conservative," Sanderoff said.
"Ironically, conservatives would be less supportive of his call for a
public debate regarding decriminalization or legalization of drugs than
liberal people would be, and it's liberals who most likely voted against him."

St. Clair said: "Hardcore Republicans and the religious conservatives would
have been appalled."

Johnson said Kelly Ward, who managed his 1994 campaign and is now his
senior policy analyst, and Doug Turner, who managed his re-election
campaign last year, used to hold their breath when he talked with reporters.

"There was this fear, knowing that if asked the right question during the
campaign that I was going to answer it," Johnson said.

At the same time, Johnson's admission early in the 1994 campaign that he
had used drugs in years past turned out to be "a nonevent" politically, he
said.

Johnson said he told the members of his Cabinet how he felt about the
nation's drug policies in 1995, during his first year in office.

"It did catch everybody off guard," said Health Secretary Alex Valdez,
recalling that 1995 Cabinet discussion. "He challenged us to think about it
and our one common thread was no one is supportive of drug use. It (drug
use) is one of the dumbest decisions a person can make."

David Harris, Johnson's secretary for Finance and Administration, remembers
a lively discussion about drug policies by Johnson's top officials at that
meeting.

"Darren and the law enforcement people were vocal in opposition," Harris
said, referring to Public Safety Secretary Darren White. "The folks on the
social services side were far more sympathetic."

Johnson said he had not intended to go public with his drug-policy thoughts
this summer, but the story leaked out that he had talked about the issue at
a lunch with state Republican Party chairman John Dendahl and former
Republican state Sen. Mickey Barnett of Albuquerque.

However, Johnson said he had planned to discuss the issue publicly before
attending think-tank conferences this fall, sponsored by the
Libertarian-leaning Cato Institute, which advocates drug legalization.

"I just felt that if I go to that, then I've got to get this out on the
table before that," Johnson said.

Johnson is scheduled to speak at a conference on the nation's drug policies
Oct. 5 in Washington, D.C., sponsored by Cato. He also plans to attend a
Cato seminar on Labor Day that will deal with the drug issue.

He is working with the New Mexico League of Women Voters to hold a
conference on the issue sometime this fall at the University of New Mexico.

Contradictions

Johnson acknowledged that some of his recent statements, including his
belief that people shouldn't be jailed for using drugs, appear to
contradict his otherwise hardline stance on crime.

During his 1998 re-election campaign, Johnson aired a tough-sounding
television commercial in which he said if you commit a crime in New Mexico,
you're going to serve "every lousy second" of your prison sentence.

"When I made that commercial, I'm thinking about the guy who's got his gun
out," Johnson said. "I was never thinking about the guy who did heroin and
that's all he did. I wasn't thinking about Robert Downey Jr.," Johnson
said, referring to the actor recently sent to prison on drug charges.

Johnson suggested the nation would be better served by redirecting money
spent on drug interdiction to treatment and prevention programs.

Yet he conceded he has not pushed for more treatment programs for drug
addicts in New Mexico. And he reluctantly signed a bill during this year's
special legislative session for a $500,000 program to treat heroin addicts
in northern New Mexico that he had previously vetoed.

"You're going to continue to see that," Johnson said.

"You're going to be reporting about ironies. ... Next legislative session
you (the media) are going to report on he's calling for treatment, but he's
been given a slew of treatment bills and he vetoed them all."

Johnson said he would veto bills that required additional state spending
for new drug-treatment programs because it could result in tax increases.
But he said he would support redirecting some existing resources to
treatment programs.

"But the reality is it's going to be new resources and then, gee, where do
you get the new resources, we need to raise taxes, and I'm not going to
support that," Johnson said.

Despite his belief that people should not be sent to jail for using drugs,
Johnson said he does not intend to issue any blanket pardons for those
serving time in New Mexico jails on drug charges.

"I'm going to enforce the laws that we have," Johnson said. "But I think
the law needs to be changed and I'm going to work within the system to
change the law."

Republican Novelty

One of the reasons Johnson has gotten so much national attention recently
is the novelty of a Republican governor calling for a re-examination of
drug policies, St. Clair said.

"If a Democratic governor had called for it, it would have gotten little or
no attention," St. Clair said.

National attention on Johnson was heightened because of the media focus on
possible past drug use by Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush,
St. Clair said. And it probably had something to do with the late-summer
recess of Congress, he said.

"We're a little short on hard news at the moment," St. Clair said.

St. Clair said Johnson, as a lone-wolf Republican governor, faces an uphill
battle in trying to change national drug laws and policies, despite all his
recent publicity.

"The Republicans, generally, do not want to re-examine it and I don't see
Democrats pushing to re-evaluate Clinton administration policy," St. Clair
said. "As far as calling for a serious public debate, I don't see it going
anywhere except on college campuses.

"As soon as national politics comes back into play with the return of
Congress and the presidential race heats up, the issue and Johnson's
visibility will fade," St. Clair predicted.