The DRUGSENSE CHAT WITH JUDGE JAMES P. GRAY continues:

Judge Gray: fatfreddy, the federal gov't does not have the resources to
prosecute everyday crimes like possession of hemp or marijuana. Like with
medical marijuana all they really can do is scare people with threats.

Darral Good: Judge, your thoughts on the SCOTUS medical marijuana decision?:

Chris_Buors: The jury was meant in English law to be a last resort against
the tyranny of Government

Ginger: A judge is only supposed to monitor the trial to ensure that it's
fair. The jury is supposed to try the defendant, not you, Judge.

FatFreddy: Read my web page at go.to/fatfreddy "A War like no other war."

BigBong: aristophanes or was it voltaire?

tokaygecko: but you guys are getting way to metaphysical

tokaygecko: the judge lives in the real world

IDEFY: Seems to me most ANARCHISTS I know want whats best for this
Planet(odd as that may be)

Darral Good: judge gray, how the hell do they have billions to send to
columbia?

IDEFY: I know A LOT of Anarchists

Judge Gray: ginger, you are right.

BigBong: trouble is every anarchist has a different vision ;O)--~

tokaygecko: yeah, if you marooned a bunch of them nice people on an island

Dean_Becker: Judge, I just read that in Italy, they have the good sense to
realize "rich people" may have enough to qualify as traffickers but it's
just their stash, so they charge them at a lesser offense. When I buy pot,
I must decide one trip for a large amount and save money and maybe go to
jail for a long time or do I go back numerous times to get small amounts?

Darral Good: judge, how do you feel about FIJA.ORG

Ginger: The real world thinks it's alright for cops to shoot and kill
unarmed suspects, provided they're willing to swear they THOUGHT he looked
like a druggie

BigBong: and I am no exception! (see formula for world peace
www.gasgroup.com/peacepipeproject/centralhub/emcwebbed.htm)

IDEFY: I want what is best for my children

Darral Good: The peace pipe project is an awesome place

IDEFY: just like Ann and the rest of you

Judge Gray: Darral Good, the war on drugs is not winable, but it certainly
is fundable. That makes polititians think that they are doing something
positive. But in actuality they are causing enormous harm.

Darral Good: Judge, your thoughts on the OCBC SCOTUS decision?

Darral Good: Ann, I just drink it out of the bottle!

IDEFY: NoAnn it certainly is NOT jail.

Ginger: Dos equis =)

IDEFY: Jagermeister

Steven: your a free man to ferment your own wine Judge. People who grow
their own medicine in your country lose their freedom. That is so hard to
accept, more so for me.I take the right to grow it for granted while Todd
sits in prison

tim: the suppression of cannabis can be linked to nearly every problem the
world faces today!!!

Judge Gray: abseeds, the tobacco and alcohol industry have an enormous
vested interest in continuing with the distinction between "legal" and
"illegal" drugs.They are enormously concerned about the competition. That's
why they contribute a great deal of money to the Partnership For a
Drug-Free America.

IDEFY: Yeah, Todd's abig criminal FOR TRYING TO HELP OTHERS

Allan_Erickson: PDFA- hissssssss

tokaygecko: tell em judge

dan: Right on judge

Ginger: I have some horrific dirt on prominent members of the Partnership.
Why can't I get ink on it?!

Ann McCormick: Which, in effect, makes PDFA a cartel -- by definition

tokaygecko: human education is a very slow process, gin

IDEFY: Partnership for a Freedom-Free America is more like it

Ginger: A-Men Ann.

Richard_Lake: Well,we like to mess with PDFA, Judge. That's why Jo-D has
the www.pdfa.net website. On the web they never win.

Lynn_Harichy: I'm a criminal and proud of it

Allan_Erickson: PDFA would dry up and blow away with out corp and govt $$

Judge Gray: Darral Good, the decision was right and wrong. They were right
in saying that the federal law pre-empts state law. In my view, they were
truly wrong in depriving people of a medical necessity defense.

donaldway: I wonder if the Gov't ever considered the possibility that the
black market created by the W.O.D. could serve as a vector for a terrorist
to introduce a deadly virus into the population? Shouldn't ending the
W.O.D. be a National Security issue for this very reason?

Ginger: Federal law has absolutely no authority over a citizen of a state,
only over the state and only as defined in the Fed Const???

Paul: I am an outlaw and proud of it

Ann McCormick: Lynn, you are in good company -- with all the USA's founding
fathers

Chris_Buors: Ginger, the partnership never read Huck Finn, hypocracy was
the lesson of chapter one

Lynn_Harichy: if you want to be able to smoke and stay home with your
family than either shut up or dig a hole

tokaygecko: in the Big $ world its hip to cover hypocrisy

Paul: hey judge what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty

Lynn_Harichy: lol thanks ann

IDEFY: Maybe we should ALL move to Canada

Richard_Lake: http://www.pdfa.net/ = Partnership for Drug-policy Facts and
Alternatives

Ann McCormick: Huck Finn is banned now isn't it. Not acceptible for children

Tom-e: overGROW the government!!

BigBong: www.hempbar.nimbinaustralia.com

Ginger: Johnny Reeferseed?

BigBong: you will see the only web cam on earth web casting from a totally
ILLEGAL cannabis cafe

Judge Gray: donald, the war on drugs' money has funded rebellions, crime
and corruption world-wide. For example, Colombia does not really have a
drug problem, but they have an enormous drug money problem. The missionary
plane in Peru was shot down by drug money.

Ann McCormick: Responsible mj use is not lying about it for starts

BigBong: on line over a year and no axe murders yet!

Martha: Judge Gray do you think anyone really needs treatment if they just
use marijuana?

Allan_Erickson: good one Martha...

BigBong: totally debunks the reefer madness indocrination

Lynn_Harichy: my legal medicine will kill me but keep me out of prison

Martha: thanks Allan

BigBong: thousands of acres of environemnt have been destroyed

BigBong: america has done to peru what they did to vietnam with agent orange

dan: judge I am a quadplergic in pain - 3 drug arrests in 10 years - not a
day in jail yet - when will get marijuana legally or a jail term

Judge Gray: martha, in my view marijuana is not physiologically addictive,
but anything can be sociologically addictive - television is the worst.

Ginger: Rural Colombia is the Trail of Tears cum War of the Roses all over
again

Ann McCormick: Look at Bhangledesh!!!!

BigBong: and the world is well and truly pissed of with the USA cavalier
attitude to the planets lungs

Allan_Erickson: Woohoo Judge- TV is the WORST! indeed...

Rob: BTW This is Rob from Hempfest : Canada "The Medical Marijuana Bash"

Paul: and judge for the hemp industry to work it will take government help
to make up for the years of forced lack of knowledge advancement

kelinsmART: I applied for a job at an ADULT book/video/toy store, they said
they drug tested ( hair and urine) --- DRUG FREE PORN

Dean_Becker: the government would allow me, thousands of ads encourage me
to drink alcohol, yet had I kept drinking, I am sure I would not be alive
today, yet for years I have just smoked weed, no accidents no tickets, yet
I am a criminal..why?

Martha: Thank You Judge and I agree. There are always those who go
overboard but I don't think most people do.

Judge Gray: dan, I am convinced that people like you should be able to use
marijuana if you even think that it is good medicine. I am truly despondent
that our laws are so heartless.

Chris_Buors: I take the opposite view Judge, there is no such thing as an
addiction!

Ann McCormick: We're sorry BB, it's not our fault, take the Resident Shrub
issue up with the Supremes.

Ginger: So judge, do you think it's a good idea to force people into
treatment if they're able to answer the questions on the last episodes of
Who wants To Be a Millionaire?

BigBong: it is horrific

Judge Gray: to all: what do you think about my proposed proposition
regarding hemp and marijuana? do you think there is any funding out there
for it?

Steven: It must make it tough to go to work...

dan: thank u judge u know my last name

Paul: not from my point of view...it just doesn't do what needs to be
done...end prohibition

Lynn_Harichy: there is always funding for everything

donaldway: To be honest Judge I haven't finished reading your book.

FatFreddy: My Dr. told the Judge and the Prosecutor that jail would be
hazardous to my health without Pot. If you had that trouble would you quit.

Allan_Erickson: Judge- on funding- contrary to what the feds say, we are
NOT well funded, BUTyes $$ help is probably available thru the usual sources...

Ann McCormick: Judge, I think you need to sit down and have a long talk
with Jack Herer

observer: I like your proposition Judge, I like it because it is much
better than the situation now. I believe funders would get behind it.

RWaddell: Unfortunatly I have never reviewed your ideas Judge where can I
get a copy ?

IDEFY: I will let you know after I read your Book. Just having an open
forum meeting w/ us has put good marks in your favor

Allan_Erickson: Ann, have you seen Jack lately?

Ginger: +) Ann

Dean_Becker: I think it is a workable idea. The important thing is to get
a solvent idea like the Judge's, surround it with strong endorsements and
make the progress instead of wondering why we never get any where.

IDEFY: Yeah Dean

Richard_Lake: Yes, Judge. I think there is funding out there. But just as
with the PRAyes initiative www.PRAyes.com in Michigan, it is hard to get
funding before it is on the ballot. However, there are some funders who are
interested, I believe, in moving towards the next step -- something like
what you want.

Judge Gray: on the proposition, rich lake will save this chat and send it
out to MAP

Ann McCormick: No, but I have spoken with him. He's progressing wonderfully

Chris_Buors: There is no such thing as hard drug or soft drug

kelinsmART: If drugs are illegal, only criminals will have drugs
Paul: cannabis is an herb

Paul: it is not a narcotic

Paul: a plant will never be controled

BigBong: lack of funding wouldn't have slowed down Lincoln or Jefferson

IDEFY: hemp is a gift

kelinsmART: Cannabis is an herb and its sacred

Chris_Buors: Are you aware of Senator Claude Nolin and the hearings he is
presiding over in Canada sir?

BigBong: step up to the pump and act

Ginger: Chocolate is a drug. So what? We all do drugs, even birds prefer
fermented berries.

donaldway: The only drugs that should be controlled are those that may have
a potential impact on others: antibiotics.

Paul: just think how many years and how much money it has taken to try to
prohibit this plant from man

Martha: Man made coke, meth etc. and Cannabis is not man made.

Lynn_Harichy: I have to get going everyone it's news time.....it's been
great and judge keep talking never shut up you have good vibs

Paul: or those that are manufactured

Judge Gray: chris, no I am not aware of this.

FatFreddy: It would cost the Federal Government to much to make Hemp Legal.

BigBong: the accountants are going to end the W.O.D. drug enforcement $ are
$ not spent on hospitals and schools, remember the words of Robert Kennedy
when he returned from the south

Ann McCormick: It would hurt the OIL interests were hemp 'legal'

IDEFY: Decriminalization allows the law to focus on Real crime and doesn't
bankrupt Middle America

Steven: G'nite Lynn, keep fighting girl :)

Chris_Buors: check the Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy site [
http://www.cfdp.ca/ ] to get an idea of what has been presented!

Ginger: Judge, as I'm taking a lot of pot shots here, I wanted to stop and
thank you for having the unusual valour to bring these issues into the
public dialog in this way.

Ann McCormick: ditto

IDEFY: Yes thank you, Judge

Paul: yes thanks for your work

Judge Gray: fatfreddy, I have no idea why it would cost the federal gov't
anything. Instead they would be able to receive taxes from a revitalized
industry.

Martha: My heart breaks for what we are doing by spraying in Colombia.
Those poor people.

Tom-e: to keep informed daily on the drug war go to www.drugsense.org/radio

Dean_Becker: When hemp, especially when marijuana is legal it will impact
the drug lords and the Law's the most and will impact poor farmers in the
most positive way.

Dean_Becker:

BigBong: I admire everyone in the frontline trenches

tokaygecko: brave lynn!

Judge Gray: ann, you are right again. Oil has a lot to be fearful of from
competition with hemp.

Judge Gray: ginger, we are all friends here.

IDEFY: Judge, The Gov't and Police are the only ones that benefit from the WOD

Ginger: =)

kelinsmART: Oil has a lot to be afraid of from the future

BigBong: got that right judge!

Paul: we have a lot to be fearful about if they don't legalize hemp

Judge Gray: martha, if someone sprayed agent orange on your crops, villiage
and drinking water, would you consider them to be friends?

IDEFY: I'd consider them Americans

Paul: hahahaha

IDEFY: ouch

Martha: Not at all Judge. Not at all.

dan: lol

IDEFY: I live here too

kelinsmART: Prohibition of alcohol (-) and drugs (-present) causes problems
worse than use/ abuse and overfilled our prisons so much they have to
release murderers, rapists, molesters, and other violent people to make
room for drug offenders. We can't build prisons and courtrooms fast enough
to keep up

Ginger: Colombians think we're all behind what our government is doing.

Ginger: Maybe we should be publishing a paper in So Am as NarcoNews is
published here?

Allan_Erickson: Judge G- thank you very much for putting up with us and for
joining us here, come back anytime!

Chris_Buors: I say we put the sentencing back into the hands of Judge Grey,
at the very least

Judge Gray: idefy, not quite. the drug lords also gain incredible amounts
of money. without this illegal market, that would not be the case. so they
appreciate the laws of drug prohibition enormously.

Jacki Rickert: Judge Gray, Do you have any suggestions for us on where to
go next? When someone is fighting for their quality of life we seem to keep
running into cement walls? Many of us have done everything we know how to
do...including the few Physicians who have had to go through miles of red
tape when the Compassionate & Research IND programs still existed?. To
have a Dr. go that extra mile for something they truly believed in.

Martha: The drug war will consume us if it isn't radically changed I'm
afraid to say.

donaldway: In case your blood pressure isn't high enough go check out HR
196IH submitted by Mr. Sweeney - the Anti-Drug Legalization Act; To
prohibit federally sponsored research pertaining to the legalization of drugs.

BigBong: are you refering to the USA pharmaceutical companies here judge or
the occasional individual mafia type dealer?

Chris_Buors: What do you think of manditory minimum sentences Judge?

FatFreddy: I have a comic book out and will have more. Judge get one from Jo-D.

Judge Gray: Jacki, I have a great deal of faith in people signing our drug
policy resolution (appendix a of my book) and sending it to their own
elected officials. These politicians will take these votes seriously.

FatFreddy: Judge Gray I wish to thank you for talking to us -- we know that
you can't do much more than we are but WE WILL WIN!!!

IDEFY: I drew Fat Freddy's book and the next one will be better and a lot
more to the point

Judge Gray: chris, I believe that judges should have the ability to
sentence based upon the individual and the individual crime. Mandatory
minimum sentences take away that ability. most judges agree with me.

Ginger: The biggest myth? Young, dark complected inner city boys control a
$Billion international industry

Richard_Lake: Jacki's website is www.immly.org -- check it out.

Chris_Buors: Glad to hear that

Chris_Buors: Do you face re-election?

Ginger: http://www.trebach.org/ while we're slinging urls

Ann McCormick: But wait, as a state judge --- there are laws against
practicing medicine without a license. Why are elected officials, law
enforcement, prosecutors, judges exempt from that law. I thought in America
NO ONE, not even the President is Above The Law? What is that all about?
When I look at our elected officials, I am hard pressed to find ONE I would
go to for medical advice.

IDEFY: I know of a former head of the FBI that says the whole WOD is a
farce to control us

Ginger: Saving Our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse http://www.trebach.org/

Paul: ya but there is also the alternate extreme...where a mean judge could
give harsh sentences for nothing more than growing a plant

IDEFY: true Paul

Judge Gray: fatfreddy, have no doubt we will eventually change away from
our failed drug policy. We have numbers of options that will be more
effective, and, amazingly enough, cost much less money. don't lose heart!

Ginger: Paul, the JURY is supposed to make those decisions.

BigBong: USA has to follow the Swiss model

Steven: I'm off to see the Wizzard, ThankYou Judge GrayYour country needs
a whole bunch more Judges like you.. Peace...

tokaygecko: well, it was interesting ladies and gents, thank you for the
good vibes

IDEFY: We haven't yet Judge, but give us a break WE are the ones in the
trenches

tokaygecko: good luck judge gray

Paul: most don't have jury trials

Judge Gray: ann, I agree with you that police officers under our present
system are making medical decisions. What a mistake.

Richard_Lake: Dan started the first Journey for Justice wheelchair trek
from Toledo to the state capitol to lobby for medical marijuana. And the
second wheelchair trek was from Jacki's to Madison, WI for the same reason.

BigBong: hope to meet you another time judge

Tom-e: (judge Gray) what does it mean when they say sanction in context
with law???

Ginger: If every offender insisted on a jury trial the system would
collapse in about a month under the strain

FatFreddy: I lost my Family for growing my own Medicine.

IDEFY: Judge Gray...You should attend the Seattle Hempfest Aug -=people
that would love to hear your voice!

tim: jury trial for me

Allan_Erickson: indeed the WOD is not family friendly!

Ann McCormick: But so did Magistrate McMahon when he chose to over rule
Todd's doctor's prescription. I still haven't received an answer to where
Mr McMahon got his medical training or if he were licensed by the state of
California to make those decisions for another human being.

IDEFY: Seattle Hempfest will be the largest Hemp gathering EVER
[http://www.seattlehempfest.com/ ]

Martha: Judge Gray why do they think that drug testing is a legitimate
treatment? It just scares people into not partaking. That doesn't help but
would anger the person. You can only stop when you have a good reason yourself.

Paul: does the state really think they can handle the responsibility of
raising our kids

Chris_Buors: How many copies of your book were printed for a first run?

Judge Gray: idefy, I would love to comeand I'm sure I could learn a lot.
but I have to work for a living. but how about getting everyone's chamber
of commerce involved?

dan: we need people like bob barr out of office

IDEFY: good idea Judge

donaldway: Bob Barr needs restraints.

Allan_Erickson: actually as relates to hemp, many conservative businesses
and farm groups are supportive...

Judge Gray: chris, 8,000 copies were made in the first run, but we're going
to run a lot more.

Paul: some of us aren't allowed to work in the states...heck even some kids
aren't allowed to go to school in the states

IDEFY: I work for change for a living. Too bad doing what is morally right
doesn't pay the bills

IDEFY: We printed 20,000 copies of our comic

Ann McCormick: Don't worry. Compassionate Moms [
http://members.home.net/amccormick/ ] is going on tour later this year. We
plan on getting into those chamber of commerce, PTA and rotary meetings and
doing some educating on a grass roots level

IDEFY: and we're BROKE!

Ginger: idefy, it does! I just pick and grin at the crossroads while doing
whatever I think needs done and I get enough referals to keep me in coffee
beans =)

Judge Gray: rich and all: I have enjoyed it and I look forward to doing it
again sometime. We all need to share truthful information with each other.

Ann McCormick: Bob Barr needs... oh, guess I shouldn't say that, mixed
company and all...

Allan_Erickson: Thanks Judge Gray!

donaldway: Bye Judge, thanks for coming!

Dean_Becker: Following the awarding of Peter McWilliams award this May DPFT
[ www.dpft.org ] was invited to the PTA in Houston School District

BigBong: wwwell that was fun

Richard_Lake: Thank you all, and Thank You, Judge Gray. Yes, that was fun
and we did set a record for the number of folks here