No one said otherwise o_O

Anyway, it was a nice conversation, good night ;)

All good, Kire.

At least you learned that only Noah can call out for volunteer DJs here :P

haha! :p



Glad you want more! So do I! xD

The rest, well, that's a discussion for another thread ;)

+1 Recoil ;)



T'as déduit que le monde optent pour aller à un événement gratos avant de payé, bravo! Non seul que c'est assez évident, mais c'est axactement le probème des fois.

T'avoue être nouveaux à la scène, c'est super ça - j'aime du nouveau sang, et tu sors à des trucs gratos et payants et t'appui la scène, c'est bon! Mais ne prétend pas dire au monde qui font intégralement parti des raves depuis fucking longtemps comment notre scène fonctionne, merci.

Hey Noah, you're welcome for the drama ;)

Kire, in my opinion a memorable party has nothing to do with how many ppl show up. If ravers only like parties with alot of ppl at them, then they've become pretty superficial. I don't think it's the case. A really memorable party is one where legendary DJs take the stage, where the deco and lights are interesting, where the music is well played.

I've had so much fun at free gigs, fuck I'm poor as Hell so it's awesome that they exist, but honestly they all go into one big pile of 'cool' in my head, maybe one or two stand out and that's only because of the location that was interesting.

The parties I remember most are the ones where they played the music I love.

Not saying you're doing any different, I'm sure the tunes are cool and all that, but be warned that you're also already spoiling your crowd and some ppl will be shocked when you tell them your next event is 30$. You'll see how much harder it is to sell something after you've already given it away.



That, I totally agree with! ;)

Wow, pas t'as rien compris. Party mieux produit, mieux publicisé, mieux préparé = gagner en popularité ? Ca c'est FAUX quand il y a question d'un party gratuit, car le monde vont y aller peu importe juste parce-que c'est gratuit!

Seriously, what does innovation, new shit, and quality have anything to do with a free party?? What does giving new ppl a chance to play have anything to do with older DJs who have new music? What the fuck are you talking about? Free party movement is old, raves are old, but most promoters try to bring new acts from around the world to the stage, and there is something to be said about respecting the older scene ppl who kept this all alive so that you guys still have a fucking scene ... so: t'es dans l'champ ...

And competition, lol! This is a scene that is supposed to stick together and create the best situations that'll benefit the entirety of rave culture, not a company selling a brand of shoes ...



To your 1st paragraph: Interesting how you say these things when another party comes to mind in which you did after another was already posted. So, you didn't change your date, don't expect others to.

To your 2nd paragraph: That's fine, if you want to take the easy road to build a rep, it seems like you know what to do now in order to profit from the scene later. Like I said, a friendly warning is that whatever you lost already, you'll never make it back. Though if I were you I wouldn't admit that the only way you could get ppl to come out to one of your events is by making it free.

Anyway, do what you want, good luck, but I still think it's insulting to use DJs in order to boost your business plan in the guise of helping them get gigs. A hard working worthwhile DJ will find a way to play, don't worry about them.

Just saw your recent comment -- all good man, sorry I'm exhausted and emotional, but at least you kinda know why ;)

But seriously, you're a good kid, think about who you deal with is all :)

Right, so the point is to fuck over other promoters in order to build your name with free parties, and then make a bunch of cash by then throwing paying events ... ridiculous.

Honestly I'm not even taking a piss at Kire so much as the other people he's associated himself with.

I give mad props to NTK and HardTimes, and what they do is not even part of THIS particular equation.

Pis parle moi pas de bénévolat dude. J'aime bien ton enthousiasme, mais le monde qui pensent que les promoteurs qui charge pour des événements font du cash sont dans le champ en tabarnak. 96% du temps on PERD de l'argent, tandis que certaines personnes qui font des événements gratuits n'investissent rien à part le gaz pour la génératrice, et le système de son déjà payé, alors quand ils vendent d'la bouffe/bière/drogue, c'est que du profit. Encore, les NTk c'est un autre histoire - le monde leur doit du travail bénévole après tout l'effort qu'eux on mis dans notre scène depuis tout ces années.
En plus, moi j'ai du monde qui sont prêt à aider gratos si il y a du cash en question ou non.

Asking for volunteer DJs is like admitting that a) you don't know who to book b) you aren't well connected c) you're disorganized and announced something before it was ready d) are going to have to pick from whoever the fuck wants to play instead of choosing based on talent.

And people can preach 'giving n00bs opportunities' all they want, but it's not only patronizing to those people, it's also insulting to all the amazing and yet underrated DJs that have been playing for years and are given no chances 'cause they aren't 'fresh' enough or popular enough 'cause they're subtle and kind individuals.

I knew I was opening a can of nasty worms by making a statement, but I don't really care anymore.

I'll teach you one lesson right now: After all your best laid plans, fucking over other people in order to get ahead, trying to build a reputation on giving shit away for free - you will never make money from the rave scene. Never. So, get the idea of being one of the cool successful promoters out of your head, 'cause right now for the first time in the history of the scene, there are too many fucking promoters! On top of which, the most respected and hardest working promoters (not including pop-techno) have sacrificed alot, and lost a ton of money and even made enemies due to jealousy.

What can I say? Life is hard.

Just 'cause you check the calendar for the next party, doesn't mean you did for the last one ...

ps. I'm not surprised, MTL is full of incredible talent. Doesn't mean they can all drop the kick like dudes who've been doin' it for a decade ;)

Fine. Obviously our opinions are at odds. But hey, that's rave,ca for you ;)

Are you fucking serious? It's getting cold and humid at night, and you justify Free parties with the weather? Gimme break, it's a pretty lame reason. Throwing parties in the winter isn't too fun anyway because it's too damn cold - lugging gear around, coat-check, ravers mushing through the slush etc. I'm pretty sure ppl have heating in their apartments for winter, and are able to go outside at anytime during the summer - they don't need a certain type of party to help them out depending on the season ...

Your events are not on days that are open to conflict? That's just a flat out lie dude. Don't know who you think you're fooling when there's a fucking calendar on this site.

So, what you're saying is: NO headliners during the summer, promoters should only charge for parties indoors (which means that you're saying the only expense for a party is the venue - wtf?), new DJs don't deserve to get paid, cover-charge depends on the season, and cheap events don't cheapen the scene.

It might work out in your head, but the real world isn't buying your bullshit reasoning. Sorry. I know you guys are acting like Free Party heroes, but a monkey trained by Hellen-Keller's corpse could throw a free event without any trouble. I feel better giving Ravers something different.

And, you can very easily accept donations for an outdoor party if you have DJs that are invited. At OCDj I gave plenty of fresh DJs an opportunity, and they got paid. Cover was only 4$, and I gave everything I made to the DJs. But, I guess we're at a point where ppl don't pay for music, so they don't need the cash to invest into buying new records and such, like we had to back in the day, so they accept being used.

Anyway, have fun keeping the scene as cheap as possible. I hope your 'fresh new DJs' are already as good as others with 10 years of experience, 'cause promoters can't afford big names anymore as more and more ppl accept 'Free' in lieu of 'quality'. I guess if you want to see talent from outside of MTL you better like Dubstep or Pop, 'cause that's all you'll get.

Watch me do a free party this winter with other crews, just to prove you wrong ;)

Thanks for you time, have a nice day.

@ Max_x2: C'est bein cool si ils sont juste en train de commencer, mais si ils ne sont pas pret avec un crew complet, ils devraient peut-être attendre, ou simplement faire moin d'événement. Poster un truc sans avoir ton line-up complet, c'est pas pro.

Parce-qu'on dirait du monde qui veulent plus être 'cool' que du monde qui veulent aider la scène, imo.

Oh gee, another free party that abuses the generosity and desperation of DJs.

Normally I'd jump on any opportunity to play even if it's for free, but unless it's for certain promoters like Hard-Times or NTK or at the Mountain, then no.

I'm all for the free party movement, but this is just getting ridiculous. You're interfering with professional seasoned promoters who invest in their well organized events. You're also spoiling the crowd. You should at least charge 5$ and pay your fucking artists.

At least the NTK and Hard-Times have their own crew of DJs, they don't count on others to provide the music for them.

Good luck finding enough amateurs to volunteer to do your job for you.

(blah blah blah let the drama begin)

Bring back fat pants! xD

I only wear 'boot-cut' pants now, just loose enough, you can ride 'em just 'round the hips, and they don't taper at the ankles ...

Tight pants and super-baggy ass showing pants = uncomfortably weak.

For girls though, they can wear whatever the fuck they want ;)

There were some of the best Hardcore sets I've heard in years. During Unexist, the vibe was palpable!
I'm really really happy I got to book Jappo -- and of course Satronica, who was as solid and wicked as always! As were the locals; thanks to them for playing hard: Mutante (great live!), Izsoloscope, Plague, Zim, Fishead (oldschool awesomeness!), One Lab Rat, and DTO ...

Couldn't have pulled it off proper without all the help, so here's my traditional BIG THANK YOU list:
'I' productions for partnering up and backing me up, Pola & Emilie at the door, my ninja Mark for general watching out and pre/post help, Jo for help tearing down and more, Hugo & Jason & Julie & Samwise at the bar (great job guys! Black & White crew reppin'!), David for the lights and tear-down help (and the beer in the morning!), Vince Alakazoo for putting the sound together, Steph Dumais & Melissa-Ann for the deco images, Chloé for the photography (her pics will be up soon!), all the DJs mentioned above (without whom we just have pretty lights to look at) for all the 10 hours of ass-kicking music! And of course, ALL the people who came -- you guys are the other half pf the party, without you the DJs might as well stay home. I saw the crowd dance their asses off, smile brilliantly, and be respectful of the 'rules' that allowed us to go all all night without seeing any cops ... Thank you for being there, thank you for the support.

I admit to being a little disappointed that there were some people I expected to see, but weren't there. On that note, sucks to be you 'cause you missed an awesome show. I'd like to also bitch about some disrespectful promoters that caused some interference, but I don't want to start any drama -- the party was so much the opposite of drama, I'd like to keep the aftermath like that as well ;)

So, good times, great music, lots of amazing people, inspiring DJs, no bust, no bullshit = Success!

I'm still not sure whether or not this was the last rave that Deadna produces. I need to take the time to consider all things and decide if the scene still needs me as a promoter. I think I prefer just DJing and producing music ;)

Anyway, thanks again to everyone. Hardcore will never die! =)

Ctrl Alt Del / End Process.

yeah, we got trendy hip-hoppity hipsters now -- call 'em rapsters ;)

Sweet! I only have the 666 Rec. release, and one on Drop Bass. Wonder if she still plays out ... ? :p

note to self: get some sleep before it's too late! xD

IMPORTANT: Be respectful of the neighbors and neighborhood, both on your way and during the night. Please keep the noise to a minimum until you are inside the venue. We're counting on you! Thank you!

Alright, I'm off to get everything ready -- Shine up your dancin' shoes and I'll see you all there!! =)

''Proud to be maladjusted'' -MLK

Laura Grabb! Nice! Haven't heard her since ... last time I played her records in my appartment xD

** LOCATION IS REVEALED!! :: Café L'Inconditionnel, 4584 Papineau (Metro Mont Royal) **

I also just got the banners designed by Steph Dumais -- HAWT!

Now, I need some sleep, then it's an early start to the day to get it all prepared and plugged-in ;)

See you all very soon!! =)

My thoughts exactly. Well put ;)

I really hate pathological liars, rumor mongers, and exaggerators.

If someone lies to you, then it's a pretty shitty relationship. If you need to lie to someone, then maybe you also need to re-think your relationship with the person ...

If a lie can avoid death, or extreme pain, then it's a question of survival and a social issue such as 'honesty' no longer applies, but that's not a relationship oriented situation ...

We get lied to all the time by the media and the government, with whom we're supposed to have a professional relationship, and you see how that turns out xD

The truth is out there!

hahaha! XD

oh shit, we're counting down in hours now .. xD

Getting real excited! Everything is in place, the planets are lining up, and the Hardcore vibes are creeping up ...

There will be some giant Raisinlove (Zombie Commandos From Hell) image designs for some of the deco! + lights, fans, friendly staff, good sound, and of course wicked DJs! On top of all that, both Mutante and Iszoloscope wil playing LIVE sets!!

Do it up proper!

T'as juste à trouver les versions Karaoke ...

*raises both hands and both feet in the air*

hmm, that might be dangerous xD

THIS SATURDAY is the ass-kickingest hardcore event of the year! Come party with us, all night long ...

o_O Shit ... just when you thought Canadian politics couldn't get any worse ...

^ these are examples of why we have punctuation in language ;)

At the party someone poured his punch on my head, so I gave him a punch in the face.

Yep, another cool party from these guys! Props & respect to the NTK and Hard Times crews!

It was nice hearing some HC during the night too, as a precursor to this Saturday's Ctrl Alt Del ;) (at which there will be some more NTK representation!) ...

Good job as always :)

very awesome .. and there's a whole repertoire of Arnold-starring movies that're a punch-in-the-face down memory lane:

Commando
Kindergarten Cop
Twins
Running Man
Red Heat
Last Action Hero
(Terminator was already mentioned)

... and speaking of Van Damme: Blood Sport, Street Fighter (terrible - not to be watched without weed)

... and speaking of Steven Seagal, I just watched Under Siege 2 last night XD

Is there a set-up at the Mountain today ?

nevermind, started raining like crazy o_O

I dropped some of my music at the party.

By the time I got the roof of the building, I realized I was a little too high.

You suck. :p

Or the great one from the Simpsons: Sugar Free Donuts (is actually, 'Sugar / Free Donuts')

At worst, you can borrow mine, I know you'll be careful ;)

Alright! We've hit the 'ONE WEEK TO GO' mark ... shit is getting real! =)

No offense, but I have a hard time believing that a guy who writes like a British gangstah is THE Nosferatu, gabber dj from the Netherlands.

If it really is, then prove it, drop the weird 'tude and the Brit slang, and I'll look into getting you booked.

And you say a promoter 'fackd ye gig' so you're trying to get a replacement gig, but you're writing from Europe, and we're in Montreal Canada, so ... wtf? Please explain.

Sorry, your story doesn't hold up, init bruv ...

dub-step: Broken Note
gabber: Unexist, Endymion, D-Passion, Catscan.
big-beat (Prodigy-ish): Chemical Brothers

:)

I'm getting old, people are referring to the 90's (without talking about raves) as old-school xD

Sorry if these were already posted, can't see those youtube links, so I might repeat (but I doubt it) ...

Movies:
Dumb & Dumber
Demolition Man
Hellraiser
Jurassic Park
Tango & Cash
A Night At The Roxbury

TV:
Full House (hey you guys mentioned House, so ... :P )
Family Matters
Dinosaurs
The Outer Limits
Unsolved Mysteries

... some of these are probably hard to find, but fun to list ;)

AWESOME! I'm trying to do the same, with limited success :P




Thanx! XD

Hopefully I'll have time to make a different for the days leading up to the party ...

Rock on! =)

well, in teh case of extremem winds, you know you're stage is still shoddy when it blows down before the band on it blows away ...

yup. ;)

For the first 3 Kinteik-Fests, we built up an entire stage in the venue, and never had any problems. Who are these incompetent lunatics they're hiring to make these ultra-fragile stages for shit's sake? o_O

or maybe he came across that pic of you from COMA wearing the Terrorfakt undies :P

Party is now only 10 days away! Gonna end this summer with a BANG BANG BANG! ;)

Nirvana - MTV Unplugged

classic ;)

Too bad you're not in MTL 'cause I have an old mini-disc player/recorder (with discs) that I'd lend you free of charge ... but, well, you're not here o_O



didn't know that - I've never really used the thing much to begin with, let alone transfer stuff to a computer. I'll look into that, thnx for the info.

Thank you Scott.

I can't make it to the mountain at all. I have to go to the Hospital because my Grandmother probably won't make it through the day.

I don't wan to be a downer, so I hope you all have a very good day. Hug someone you love. Peace.

Hopefully it'll just rain later in the evening/night. I was hoping to come chill with y'all tomorrow :) but I need to bike there, so .. rain: fuck off! xD