yeah, cool...Rawali: FuckOff tuesdays at Saph's has stopped for a while, but they're supposed to start back up (especially if the demand is there), and if it takes to long, I'll give the right people a shove in the right direction ;)...but either way, I'll let this thread know as soon as the night gets back in gear... ... and for NYC/NJ hardcore and related, personnally I think it's great (like TENSE; and SATRONICA is rocking it HARD these days - check out his track w/ Lowtek), some are a little on the up-beat side sometimes, but there are some historically great DJs/producers from there, mostly backed by IdustrialStrength records, and NYC speedcore is classic(check out Apocalypse recordings)...probably half the headliners that have been to MTL in past decade have been from NYC (maybe I'm exagerating)...nonetheless, I think most big cities have their share of great hardcore, yet always distinct. Montreal has some great talent (won't mention any names, incase I piss someone off, but you're all welcome to drop some), it's just too bad that we have yet to get massive global recognition, like France or NewYork. Quebec's biggest musical export, besides -cringe- celinedion, is metal, so hopefully the techno version of harsh music is on it's way...(some of us are definitely trying!)... ... ...

Here, I'll moderate: both sides have had their say, and friends of both sides have had their say. Done. Jesse, stop bringing it up. Rhythmic noise: definitely check out Pneumatic Detach, from Boston, I believe, and even Cenotype, out of New Jersey, is good too, but he has a lot of ambient type stuff. Both of whom have come to MTL in the last year and put on a good show, with great music. More to come. I'll do a little resarch on DoomCore and get back to y'all; for those who like Rh.Noise, doomcore is also like slower hardcore... ...btw, anyone looking to do research on labels/bands/DJs/arists and their side projects, check out [ discogs.com ] , in the electronic section, search a name and you can cross reference all sorts of label info etc... have fun .. ... ....

That's enough...we don't worship them, but they are (some of our) friends, and what Trek and Zim have made, as far as music is concerned, is actually wonderful, which is why they sell records, and their sound is very well produced...so they stand in front of the speakers, so what? When was the last time you went to a show/rave and everyone was 20 feet back from the speakers? We all know it's bad for the ears, but that's their problem. And as far as CRACK is concerned, I live in Hochelaga, I see crackheads everyday and they are much more pathetic than anyone in the NTK crew. I've got nothing aginst you, HostOne, and whatever your beef is with NTK, it's between YOU and THEM. You wanna bitch at them : go to their website. WizDumb, we appreciate your well stated words, but it's just kindling for the fire flaming between a couple of crews...so let's get back to the music, shall we?

is that the hardcore remix you're listening too? (a big hardy LOL)...

I thought we were talking about hardcore MUSIC, not hardcore NAME-CALLING...your beef is with Mad&Moe., so send them a fucking personal message...whatever, man... anyone else know where WizDumb and AerialRaver (and everyone else), can enjoy hardcore and related musics? On-line or otherwise... Next installment of AVoiceOfTheUnderground on 102.3fm, [ radiocentreville.com ] : September 1st, Special "DayAfterNathansBirthDay" show, 2am(friday night) ...until then:???... peace.

pass...I don't fuck DJs...

Wearing a microscope as an accessory, I dropped that new phosphoric acid, and, man, did the world look big.

hide, planet, eyesocket, dumbass ...

alternative 4 words: Shit, Cake, Brain, Pope ...

lol... ...I feel it too.

details.

Now, that's enough, children...keep your hate to yourselves (unless it's constructive; which, so far, it isn't)...especially since this sounds like some old bullshit conflict that didn't start here...HostOne it's not wise to bash the entire NTK krew 'cause of what MadK has to say to you, they're actually really good DJs, (her as well, but I guess you have your opinion) so ... ... chill out (both of you)before this degenerates (further)......sorry for being all patronizing, but, arguing is one thing, and bitching/dissing is another ... thnx ...

Mad-k...I didn't know you get get that angry...and, HostOne, I don't know about all the insults she's thrown your way, but she has one point (which I will elaborate): WizDumb wanted info on HC and you just started dissing it, if that's what he likes, let him be (sorry, man), but you did bring up an intersting conversation, and we appreciate the effort you made at trying to understand...please don't let an, as Aerial Raver kinda mentioned, informative, suggestion ridden thread turn into a "who's music's better and who's music will get you success in life" brawling bitch infested debate (Mad-k , you're my buddy, and I understand that you're in defense mode, but that goes for you too - please and thank you). So you like D'n'B, what about drill 'n bass? It might be a little too "mindless noise" for you, and a little too harsh for others, but it's great shit and is definitely not 4/4! Takes broken music to another dimension...so check out Venetian Snares..(Fish, you might know where to find some online?)...enjoy...he he heh...

While floating in zero gravity, the astronaut was taken by surprise and set on fire by Space Kittens, who took over the spacecfraft and are now headed for earth!

Lighter, Elephant, Dice, Weed

Falling down is awesome...DeadAlive as well (one of my favorites) - though I haven't seen the other BrainDead movie Fish is talking [ about...Ca ] the Musical is also great, but as far as cannibal movies go, for script and not gore, I really like Ravenous, dir. by Antonia Bird, though it's very different than the old classic Italian style of the genre...on another note, has anyone seen the Asian film GUZU ? It looks twisted and I was wondering if it's worth the rental... ...

thnx for the info on Apocalypse Now, it's funny 'cause I just watched it the other day...I also love the movie, but it had been a while since I had taken the time to watch, especially since I own the Redux version which is bloody long, over 40 min. of added material, I believe...in my humble opinion it's the best of the 'Nam films, though FullMetalJacket (obviously) comes in second, and PLatoon lagging behind a bit. I was never partial to some of the classics like DeerHunter, only parts of which are interesting. I also own CasualtiesOfWar but I find it lacks credibilty in it's script...and, of course, my favorite post 'Nam movie - don't laugh - is First Blood, the first Rambo movie, if you don't believe me check it out again, with it's strong anti-hick-cop message, though it is partially a typical action movie...but I think I may have gone over this before... ...oh well... ...

Betty, I know you miss Quebec, so I figure I'll mention two movies:
"Que Dieux Benisse L'Amerique"...seemingly low budget, with a vaery "Dogme" feel to, it, story takes place on the famed Sep.11th, but in Laval (or Longeuil - I think), as the lives of a bunch of neighbors get tangled while a murderer killing sex offenders is on the loose. The paranoia element is very well purveyed, as is the mystery "who-dunnit" aspect, but there was something, that I can't put my finger on, that stops me from saying it's a great movie, but it was interesting, and well played out. Check it.
"Bon Cop, Bad Cop"...well I haven't seen it, but it looks like a cheap Canada/Quebec collaboration action film (une navette, on se comprend)...actually it looks fucking terrible, let me know if I'm right (though I probably am - lol)... ...

I'm a little late on this one but, Re-Animator = kick-ass...that's it...

shit happens

thnx...

j'ai dit que je m'en melait pu, mais (une derniere chose)...thnx for speaking up MillePattes. I just can't believe that "someone" savagely told those of us who weren't there to shut up and get a life, and told the others who bitch about raves "don't go". First, we still have a right to our opinion, second, if you're not happy about this thread, don't read it...and to those last few peeps complaining about those complaining: you're doing the same thing (the common word for which is hypocrisy) - but your opinion is still appreciated - ...just too bad that it's all anger ...think about it... ...peace... ...

Exact. Et, la, je m'en mele pu...

y a personne qui chiale directement contre Stef/Sophie...on, les aime bien...(malgre tout)...

...though I do agree that most of us, at this point, should relax and wait to see what Sensitive prod.and co. have to say... ...

Je sais que j'ai pas trop rapport, mais... ...some people said some stuff along the lines of how complaining on-line is not cool, well, I just wnated to add that not everyone has the promoters home number or address, fortunately for them, and may not be in position to say shit to their faces, and that is part of WHY THIS SITE EXISTS, not to bitch, but to say what needs to be said so that the same problems do not arise in the future. Heat is a problem, and the last hardcore parties I attended were cool as ice, but people should definitely complain when, after all these years, it's still too hot in an event...the smoking issue is a problem, and is a reality that promoters have to deal with now, so that has to be mentioned and discussed. Etc, etc... ...gratuitus bitching leads to bullshit fights, but founded complaints lead to solutions...There are other issues that are hurting raves, and maybe one day, when a reason gets stuck up our asses, we'll address those too...freedom of speech people!... aside from, that, it's nice to see that some of you actually tried to have fun at a party... oh, yeah, girl DJs kick ass, anyone who disses 'em will have to answer to me (among many others)... last note: how come no one from Sensitive or Fractal has posted anything on this thread yet?...YOUR INPUT IS IMPORTANT...

I thought everything was all cleared up...what happened?...

It's weird that this week people were upset at a HappyHardCore party, and happy at a HardCore party...go figure...(Sickness, despite all the bullshit, I hope the party went well - sorry I couldn't make it, but I think everyone knows how I feel at an HHC event...and to Mr.Maximo: you're absolutely right to speak up, it's just too bad everyone was too nervous or fucked to find a better solution to the problem)... I would like to add that it's so typical that the cops should attack the rave scene with this smoking law, yet garbage bars, like Fouf's, can have half-assed smoking areas and all is well...same old bullshit I guess...it's just too bad that nicotine is more important than music to alot of ravers - all the parties I've been to in the past months have been half empty 'cause the other half is outside smoking...y'all don't have to stop, just try to cut back during an interesting event ... that's it... ...

stress is an inevitability of throwing a big event, but as long as the stress doesn't get in the way of the satisfaction thereafter of having had a successful party, all is well. And I'm sure that Cyber somehow felt the presence of all who showed up, and he is proud of us... ...so, the party was great, see y'all and the next one...

Thanks, Kao (j'pense c'est toi qui a uploader d'autre photos), finally, a few more PICS of the party! Cool... ...

actually, Jesse, this thread started 'cause someone wanted to know about upcoming hardcore events, and then somehow seemed to have degenerated (yes 'cause of one comment), but actually regenerated, and since alot a ravers these days seem almost afraid of the harder styles of techno, it's nice to see a frank discussion on the subject. We are passionate about our music, and have the right to defend it. It used to be that a HC party would bring thousands of ravers, all ready to dish it out, now you have to throw in trance, freeform, and happyHC, to get people to pick up a ticket...not that variety is a bad thing, it's just that HC has gotten a bad name for some reason (though I have my theories)...and I'm happy that HostOne is open enough to discuss and take suggestions, as we would be if we were debating on a hiphop or breaks thread...props...and to those who tried to listen my show on the net: sorry if you couldn't get realplayer to work, you missed a kick ass set ;) ... next HC event: Delta9 in october... oh yeah, thanks to Fish for the suggestions to HostOne(I have almost no knowledge of the HC available on the net), I knew you'd be more informative than myself...(lol)... ...

Well, what kind of music do you prefer? I sure Fish could make some suggestions that would come close to what you usually enjoy, that would be like HCtekno versions of your fav styles...HC has a little for everyone, except those Q92 lovers (I doubt anyone took the time to HCremx Michael Bolton - I hope)...and WizDumb, if you're still in need of hardcore and related, you can listen to AVOiceOfTheUnderground tonight (friday, august 4th, '06 - always the 1st fri. o' every month), at 102.3 fm, or on the net at [ radiocentreville.com ] , from 2am till past 6am...hosted by yours truly, we always try to play in ways we can't at a party...enjoy...

yeah, and alot of us actually create sounds with our computers, alot of us use "electronic instruments" to make our beats(i.e. drum machines, synths...), and if the you think that an electric guitar is far from that, then you are far from the truth...so I can make entire tracks by myself without dealing with other humans, guess that makes me more of a Beethoven (who only played piano while the rest of the orchestra - which was basically a sample machine for him - played what he composed, no questions asked) than a guitarist in any modern rock band. So what. OF course some may talk of purity, but I'd rather take a sample and change it all around than fuck around with the same existing notes that a guitar offers. What's considered hardcore is taking electronics and throwing in distrtion...punk and metal is taking old blues licks and adding distortion...so what's the difference...I love organic music, but there's as much bullshit music out ther in the "real world" as there is in the elecronic world (as Ficshead mentioned)...so bend over and take it as you would when you pay taxes... ...peace... ...

normality is that weird feeling you get between events...i think...

Hardcore is just 4/4 kicks with fruity sounds???Bullshit. I'll have you ALL know that what we call hardcore is the type of techno with the most amount of subgenres and co-genres, and is linked to every other style of tekno, which mostly have two defining subgenres: the original version, and the HARD version. I'm with Fish 200% on this one, hardcore is an approach, not just a style of metal (which, btw, had an influence on HC, as did industrial - it's all a rich tapestry)...Don't worry, ther'll be plenty of HC/indus., in the near future, if I heard right, there should be at least one HC event each month of the fall and winter period, and the Fuck Off tuesdays at Saphire's just might start up again soon, and the NTK crew are always up to something....just have to look out for it...

thnx Lateralus for a few more nice pics...I think I'm finally just starting to come back to normality after the crazy weekend...I think...

NOW, I'm stoked about having ManuLeMalin back in town in, with Delta9 nonetheless...my suggestions for local yokels are: Mutante, Sickness, Fishead, and anyone from the Neurotik crew (i.e. Mad-K, Trek, Moebius, etc.) - that's the HC...if you're looking to have a little industrial I'd suggest PerfectionPlastic live...I'll think of others... ...good luck...

yeah, of course a big thanks to everyone who helped out, again, this event was noting but good times...seeing Garvan again was awesome, but hard on my liver...by the way, if anyone has anymore pictures, it would be cool if you could upload them...see you all at the next hard event... ...

well, that was bloody awesome, SulphuricSaliva was brilliant, Manu was great - as usual, and Lowtek was fuckin' hard - as expected; let's not forget PerfectionPlastic, you guys kick more ass everytime you play...lighting was nice and adequate...the venue was beautiful, and different...saw shitloads of old buddies who had come out just to shake their asses in front of Manu, and I'm glad that I saw you all (you know who you are), it's been a long time...everything was great...overall: one of the best parties that I've been to in the last couple of years...so thanks Kyo, I had a wicked time...time to eat and chill out...

Venue looks great, line-up is awesome, shitloads o' people are going, and the soundsystem was tested yesterday in quebec (and it kicks !!!)...so after partyinc in quebec city for two days, can't wait out the next few hours until this all goes down...ROCK ON! See y'all later...

that's a great idea...hopefully I'll be able to the same...most people should...

excellent...j'vais etre present...

T minus 3 days...

Back to the subject of dying politicians or religious figureheads, what about celebrities, 'cause I hear Pamela Anderson and Kid Rock are getting married on the 29th, so I think a freak honeymoon accident would be in order...KidRock sucks something awful...I guess he would't have to die, just get horribly mangled...and yes, I just used this thread to bitch KidRock... .... ...party's only a few day's away now...!

YYYEEEEAAAAHHH!

(screamed with gutteral foreboding)

that just might be part of the plan...only a few days now...