then shave your balls in that angular emo-style cut...

I'm just worried about not getting booked because I need to get paid...I also wonder how many DJs writing on this thread are gonna get less bookings just for complaining...Getting paid has become a serious threat to getting gigs.

Reiterate: we are generalizing, there are great promoters out there doing what's right. I just wish others would follow their examples... .. .

It would really suck if the Selectors and the Prods became enemies, distrusting of each other. In MTL, i prefer having promoters as friends rather than some bu$ine$$ guy i have to work for.

So, we're asking kindly, for now, please allow us our just desserts.

^ for sure...

It's just sad that we have to have this conversation in the first place. You hire a DJ, pay him. No matter how much or how little, pay him. All we ask is that we don't get stuck with the bill, after working our asses off for the promoter and the crowd; and some respect would be appreciated. That's it.

^^we have to get paid first in order to organize all that. Sounds like alot of trouble for 50$ a month (in a good month).
Which tax bracket does a joint and two beers fall into? Seriously we're not talking about getting 1000$ instead of 800$, or 5000$ instead of 1500$, we're talking getting 50$ instead of 0$, or 100$ instead of 20$ ...

9 times out 10 the price is not negotiated beforehand (again, for fear of being UNbooked), so the promoter sticks us at whatever timeslot they want, at whatever venue we have to find our own way to, makes us play on shit equipment, gives us 0 respect, no proper treatment ("hey, you need a bottle of water?"), no fuckin nothin'. Then it's "play, monkey, play!". And at the end, the promoter pulls out his empty pockets, curves his mouth downward, and laughs at you when you turn away. Sounds too bitter? Fine, i'll stop, 'cause i like playing music...alot.

DJs in raves are very underpaid (generally, but not all the time), and in some bars as well. I guess we ain't special, like any other commodity, when corners need to be cut, they cut through us...

So, yeah, the problem is that there are absolutely no consequences to not paying a DJ. None.

(We are the only ones who don't defend our rights, for fear of being mocked, of being called an asshole or "tête enflé", and of not getting anymore gigs. Fuck the Union des Artistes...we need to start breaking legs.)

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long time no see...happy birthday mate...

most optimistic thread ever...good luck...keep reaching for those stars! :P

to get to the other side...

pretty lame, eh? But that's the answer.

:)

yeah, it's based on the old english joke: "Why did the chicken cross the road?"...not everyone gets it :P

One Lab Brat...hehehe...represent!

got cookies?

hahaha...no...


Because he was nailed to the chicken!

Apperantly Dj Tron , hardcore/speedcore from the US, also died last week...RIP , both of 'em...

obviously...but i'm certain that every single job the world takes equipment costs into consideration when charging the fee for services rendered; paying for the tools of the trade an' all that...gotta stay fresh and up-to-date if you wanna stay competitive and keep your job...this is the really real world... .. .

my classic riddle:

Why did Jesus cross the road?

Happy Birthday Dee...that makes you, what, 30? :P See you around...

First off, we're talking money, so let's get one thing straight: We are not capitalists. That said...

Alot of DJs in MTL are underpaid, most of the time. I got well paid working for certain promoters, (Jester prod., the Kinetik crew, BettyHaze) but those gigs are few and far between. Most of the time, i have to beg for busfare (yes, i take the bus to and from gigs - sometimes even my bike) and i feel like a twat asking the promoter for a beer, or a bottle of water, which they sometimes get with overwhelming reluctance.
If the party is free, i ask for nothing, other than that i try to be consistent with the number of headliners appearing (if you have $ for them, you have $ for me), the number of people the venue holds, and the price at the door. I have lost plenty of money at certain events, and paid EVERYONE nonetheless. So when a promoter gives me a sob story, like boohoo-we didn't make enough cash -- too fuckin' bad. Of course, I'm too nice and too generous, and I have the same problem most DJs do, I just want to play out, so we accept plenty of gigs w/out any fixed payment, and then get fucked over.

*The promotional flipside to this is that if we insist on getting paid a decent amount (say 60$) for a rave, then suddenly we aren't booked as often, suddenly we're hypocrites "just doin' it for the money"...wtf?

The other issue: A DJ should get paid no matter how few people they bring. New DJs need encouragemnt, and new records.
On the other hand, if a DJ isn't good enough to get paid, HE SHOULD NOT BE HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE. That might actually get rid of some shitheads out there...The promoter picks the DJs, so why hire a guy that you know isn';t going to bring anyone? Maybe 'cause he's good, in which case he should get paid for his talent and service. Mainly, however, a DJ cannot possibly know how many peops he brings to an event. I don't know. (i say the following with humility:P ) I know that there alot of people out there that are aware of me, and that seem to like what i do, but if the promoter delves out 100 flyers, doesn't start on thread on this site etc.. how is my name supposed to bring fans to the party if they aren't aware of it's existence? I can't call up all my friends and expect them to show up at everysingle gig, and do the promoter's job. Plus, it's a bad idea to give a DJ that much self-importance :P

Many good points have been made so far, so watch out promoters, the DJs are fighting back! We need new records! I work hard for each and every gig, i even make tracks just for the party, is all that really worth only 10$? Pay to play is over...

btw, someones said that nice guys finish last...the problem is that they aren't even in the fuckin' race...

ScottyP makes the best point: Without DJs there's no music, without music there's no party.

So think twice before treating your DJs like disposable tampons...and shit.

sorry, that was a way-too-long post...

^haha

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Me Tarzan, you Jane...

what, like fornicating gases?

k

guitar or synth?

was there a question in there somewhere?

Betty, you forgot to mention that you met your husband because of your ex...who is still supportive of the two of you to this day ;)

building pyramids...the racist implications are endless...you realize you're condoning slavery? :P

you can be a hatist...you hate hate!

"I'm a rageaholic...I can't get enough rageahol!" -H.J.Simpson

alright...alors ca l'ai d'etre pour le mieux d'abord...juste une autre couple de mois a patienter dans c'cas la... .. .

like all those damn scientists, i'll never understand why they hate science so much...

Jesus H. Christ

i liked it when people said gravy... :P

argh...that's exactly what i'm talking about, you keep using words that separate "races" ("i have a black friend...i went to Africa - where black people live")...Besides, you know how many rich white guys live in Africa? They control shit over there, so having lived there is meaningless to me in your argument... ...anyway dude, i'm not calling you racist, and i really don't want to get into with you, i'm just saying that once you actually see black and white as gray, then you can feel good about yourself as a non-racist; and until then, leave the slightly misguided and mostly sarcastic people on this site alone...there was a guy a few months back who called himself "ethnic cleanser", you would have had my full permission to dig into him, but this is so very very different...not to mention that alot of these guys are obviously just pulling your chains...so get over it. One thing i do agree with: racism has no place in the rave scene.

...and for the record, hating everyone equally is called misanthropy, that's where i stand... .. .

Cheech & Chong ("Dave's not here man")

i don't get it...how does making fun of a nazi with an ugly tattoo make people racist?

Sorry, but these racial discrimination accusations are getting stale. There are real fascists out there (with rainbow tats), people should be fighting them, not a bunch of shock-rocking cynical ravers...in reference to another thread, saying that you have a "black friend" makes someone more of a closet racist; the day that that guy becomes just "your friend" you'll have moved closer to seeing beyond the flesh. To stop racism is to stop acknowledging race.. ...oh well, ignorance is bliss, after all :P

wicked...i was wondering when someone was gonna start a thread for this party...should be some good hard fun...gotta go back to working on a track for tonight...see you on the dancefloor @ 1am :P

hahaha...

...and what if they are?

giant sperm


Parachuting or bungee jumping?

aren't the cops who check up on this site the PLURest of them all?

like that Axe spray shit that supposedly has pheromones in it...cheaters!

prairie oysters


Snake or Mongoose?

:(

hey, don't blame me :P

i'll see if i can put together a tek mix for ya'...or a speedcore remix of mr.vain lol