Nice nickname, it sounds like

We all know you're proud of it, that's for sure. We also know that you really hold your accomplishments close to your heart.

But you're still a douche.

You don't know me obviously, that's all I can say to that.

Anybody who does can feel themselves welcome to check if any of that applies to me, it sort of cracks me up.

I wouldn't dare try to list off all of my diverse influences for you, you might be somewhat confused here. I'm still not sure what the delineation was of your argument re Aphex Twin, I never said he didn't get publicity, but even with the IDM boom it failed to cross over to pop except in subtle ways. Spankrock, DJ Skrew, and various other pop and rap artists were influenced. But you still don't see the IDM "stars" from Skam or Warp in the mass media. BOC is also less popular than we would like to believe, they had a boom and now they're fading back into obscurity. Campfire Headphase was a strange and sort of disappointing album, and I felt it had a bit to do with them becoming such sleeper hits that when they got "big" they failed to continue to mystify with their strange ambience.

Thing is Aphex Twin did wind up in major publicity, and a bunch of IDM posers got into him as a result, perhaps at a high point in his career but nonetheless somewhat clueless about the rest of those circles or exactly what he represented in terms of compositional techniques. So spare me the stupid arguments that hinge entirely on him as if he represents all IDM without any reference to Freeform, Jega, Bola, Luke Vibert, Phoenicia, Pan_sonic, Jake Mandell, Otto Von Shirach, Richard Devine, people who actually were quite important in turn-of-the-millenium IDM and the new sound. They make machines for Native Instruments now, and guess what, that winds up in all the electronic music we hear today. Is that "underground"? I wonder, it certainly isn't well known that many of the commercially-sold sample kits come courtesy of a lot of these artists.

So now I wonder what you're trying to say with perception, and with your idea of Universal Absolutism, I mean, you're right at home in the 18th century. As we know, good taste, morality, and quality are a priori concepts of mind and are based on their Platonic forms. Makes good sense. Personal taste does not factor into criticism, that's a great theory.

Oh and of course, I hate everything that isn't breakcore, that's a given. I despise it and I never listened to it. I never listened to music before breakcore came along, I didn't like anything before that, I thought everything sounded like bananas squishing against spiderwebs with unicorn bleats over it.

And all I really ever do is start up Ableton Live and jizz all over it while playing an amen cut up to myself.

Plus yeah, me I never do anything but work and I've never ever been involved in an anarchist freetekno scene. Not me, I just talk soulless music with my other bitchy friends and we never do anything partywise and wouldn't want to. It's too much work.

I like the pr0n. Goes well with m4n1c0771.

Not your personal army, why not just go to the cops?

Christ man, since when was it about fame? About "getting known"? That's not important, you don't have to be well known. You want to succeed, you need to put forth a legacy, you need also to have a few tracks that pay you well. In that case you have some draw, but it's highly unlikely any of us will be doing anything anywhere as different as R.D. James when he started out.

And in order to succeed he put out tons of acid techno under various names including Polygon Window, AFX, whatever. But he wasn't well known. All people knew were the tracks, the music. That's the spin that makes the difference. That's how you stay underground, keep your integrity, and avoid having to become a fucking celebrity. He's only huge today because he did all those remixes.

If we were talking about how to succeed and how to get ahead in your career you would have a point Bliss, but you changed the topic. We were talking about the underground. To attack some fictional person who's sitting at home doing nothing is pointless. I don't think anyone involved in this discussion has a lack of exposure either. And if it was directed at me, I'll have you know I'm playing on the 13th of February with other members of the Breakcore scene from Toronto, and I'm involved in promoting yet other events. Why not more often? Because I have a job. Kind of makes it hard to find the time to work on music or gigs.

So wait until you actually find some wannabe DJ/Producer who doesn't play out before you start your ignorant attacks.

You know, they're right. Ignorance is Bliss.

Yeah me I play shitty Blackberry games and then I get that sleeping leg thing too. I'm full of shit, what can I say.

I just got a new job, I get benefits, CSST protected, time and a half for overtime, lots of overtime.

That's sort of a con. I have to work like crazy to make my scrilla. It's heavy labour, but it's easier than a kitchen and pays better. Too bad it's in St. Henri.

He's not palindromic, his name is.

Reviled did I live, said I, as evil I did deliver.

I poop at work, but I work in a factory so it gets comments. All kinds of "who-eee, what died" and laughter etc. Crass working class humour, you know it.

No, it's ours!

Not one of you has submitted a palindrome yet. Pathetic.

Flee to me, remote elf.

Wrecked Distro is the best place for that kind of stuff, not as much industrial though.

Also check out the A-Klass website for Fakecore, and Planet Mu is always great for bigger names in the scene (ie DuranDuranDuran, FFF).

I also recommend hunting down Berzerk Records in Belgium, get yourself some Alcahest, that shit is brutal and fucked up.

If all else fails, talk to Fishead. Right? I think he can order you stuff that you can buy off him but well, what say ye, Colin?

My friend Jessica Lee does similar work, the taxidermy stuff that is, but no mechanical parts yet! Wow!

Well I knew they'd be up to something screwy, seems all the democrats do something bizarre in bed.

Ow. Brain. Melt.

Go to google.

Look up "littles" personality disorder or something like that.

Realize you need help.

Man that last video you posted Scotty... wtf is this shit? Did you see the shit visuals at that party? And all the crappy glowstick lazer shit? FUCK RAVES! ESPECIALLY EURORAVES!!! RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE

Why use the ID3 tags for this site? It should be a blank field that you can put anything in. Like if I'm writing fnordhop, that should be fine. Or Twelvestep. Or Fixedge. Or Sappy Softcore. Should be fine.

Oh no man! You has a bubble? Do you need bone marrow?

It's funny how the first people to say that the underground is over are usually the ones who suddenly realize all their tastes have become mainstream. They weren't ever really looking for something underground, they were trying to catch trends usually before they exploded, and then they feel crappy when everyone has heard of what they're into, when everyone has the resources to research further and inform themselves better.

But the underground lives on. If you are truly looking for it. It's a matter of how badly you want novelty rather than popularity. Because let's face it, what most people on this thread are talking about is something that once was, rather than what currently is. Many underground music scenes exist, but if you're over-mediated you might get the idea that they don't. No magazine or trend analyzer will be able to declare the death of something that is counter-cultural to begin with. It is your duty, it is sorry, our duty to keep delving further away from mass culture and to stop trying to be the most popular person playing the most popular music to the most popular people. That by definition is pop. Underground culture consists in novelty and experimentation. People who are not afraid to be different, to go against the grain.

You can decide to be an innovator, or a follower who whines that "c'est pas comme avant". It's all a matter of what you choose to believe in.

So no, the underground is not dead. You just didn't dig deep enough.

You don't love me anymore :(

PowerISO. Feels good man.

Mikael! I need a copy of Ableton Live 8 Suite, a Jupiter-8, an AKAI MPC-2000, backup singers, Liberace, and a Les Paul tuned to DEAD!

Please deliver!

This once happened along the Lakeshore in Toronto, it was pretty freaky.

RRRAAAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEEE

No actually, I do write Electro, and I've got a fairly big collection of stuff by FPU, Audion, The Presets, Boyz Noize etc. That warning sticker was made shortly after a live PA I did where I was playing my own tracks in the more IDMy breakcore genre, and not the electro I also have, but the guy was a douche and he kept asking me if I had any solid English Electro, when the whole point was that this wasn't a set of that sort of music.

I have no qualms with the ID3 tags, I've been writing Christian Gangsta Rap for ages.

It's not the genre I hate, it's the fans.

R4p3k00n:

Si tu veux te droguer jusqu'au bout de la schizophrenie pis poster ton n'importe quoi sur le forum pis penser qu'on veut le lire t'es juste cave, tout simplement. TL;DR est au moins poli, c vrai donc. T'embarques après dans ton grosse affaire de chicaner avec tout le monde pis tu pense que t'es ben correct de le faire quand ton post était un des pires depuis BluRaver. Va te faire foutre, sale espèce de perché. Si sa continue...

Wow, great that you guys are getting nostalgic about the Fractal, because there's a mad breakcore party February 13th in that building, which now goes under the name of Eastern Bloc. The place is currently owned by a collective of eccentric artists and they're trying to do "artsier" stuff with it, but it seems we have succeeded in putting together a wicked lineup for this show courtesy of one of the curators of this place. It's only the top floor, but they've installed a few new walls and made the space a lot warmer and friendlier. I suggest you all come check it out.

Is Big Bird giving the fgsfds? Made about as much sense as that.

Here we go, two new tracks by yours truly, Luke Peril:

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-45 and dropping.

The Great Underground Empire ended in 836 GUE with the curse of Megaboz and the death of the Twelve Flatheads. Zork Zero. Everyone knows that.

YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE CAKE
It's right here goddamnit stop yelling
WHERE IS THE CAKE EGG-MAN!
JUST TAKE A PIECE, YOU, YOU...
DOPPELNEGER!

True, but I think Pendulum has a lot more influence than we all want to admit.

Holy newfag. Way to überfail, failpolice.

Goa is weaker sounding, quite simply. When the hippies got their hands on better gear than 808s, 303s, and the occasional Juno, they started making Psy. Goa tracks usually are so dense in effects that it's hard to find the beat, whereas psy went way more minimal. I felt personally that the big change came with Koxbox's "Major Problem in Australia" track, I think it's Crunchy Moles but I can't remember. I had this Distance sampler where half the tracks had the old Astral Projection flow and the other half were going with the Cydonia sound. Those were the good old days. These days, same old same old.

And btw Bliss the rave scene is dead. Check circa 2000 everywhere in the world. Everybody dropped out of the scene with all the y2k fear.

Nice rhymes Tardcore. Everybody loves internet poetry.

You can only get it in Sardinia, from what I understand. This cheese makes an appearance in Asterix in Corsica... that's how I first heard about it when I was young.