let's hope he can gain momentum... and damn for that position they should market some knee pads.

you know you are bored when....

hahaha^^ the good old days... I use to steal so much when I was 13 especially. I remember that I would even steal the bags that you are supposed to pay a dollar for--I had so much stuff. I even got caught and tolf the security that I put a dollar in and never got what I payed for... and that was the reason I gave for why I was undoing the knots to get the bag.

mouhehaho

it's not the first time that I took your bait...

I actually like the tease... but I like hearing your comments OGRE. En generale.. please don't take it personal.. you're not the first.. you might be the last, however,...I could die.

awe.. I was hoping you actually said something a little more..je ne sais quoi.

reading these posts and hearing the way people talk about the weather.. reminds me of the city I was born in...

It also reminds me that we are such "thermostat" people-- control this ... control that.

Skintracker... will check out that link tomorrow..I hope. Trying to be more and more socially conscious..

We should form a suicide cult and all kill ourselves in the name of global warming... we would be such good citizens...bush would be proud.

safeness is conforming with the norm... cut-throat competition is out.

Bah, neoform's pic is a mere improvement of the original post. I like them both in "encourage creativity" kind of way.

whoever started the "there is two things that should never be discussed with friends:religion and politics."

and alot of people believe that....

It was probably a politician/priest who came up with that or better yet a king!

I'd hate to start an in-group/out-group thing.. but neoform is cool... in the sense that he has been here discussing this issue and shitting Lsd out of his bum.. but that's another story.

I think I have had what some would call a religious experience on drugs....

When I say religious experience (I don't why it's called that), I mean reaching a state of in-tuneness with my higher self.

How ironic though that a drug which destroys life in some way could provide such insight into things.

Don't get me wrong... this insight I think can be achieved without drugs.


and nobody needs cops ---they just think they do.

I just want to say that I am a smoker.. thus I pollute the environement. Plus, I've worked for companies that pollute the environment-- even though I did not particularly want to. I am not trying to come off as some environentalist.

However, slowly but surely I am trying to help the environement in various ways and I think it is good for the soul.

Living in this society, I took alot of things for granted such as the sun! Culture passes on information to its people -- and the sun well if it feels good that's all that matters..you know. The way we live in our societies.. you'd think that we didn't need nature to live.

What a thought provoking image... I would prolly watch more t.v, if they showed more socially conscious images such as that one.

I assume that image is not an actually ad for the company. But then again maybe it is. I just assumed that destroyed forest would not be a good marketing strategy.

religion can be used to subjugate people ... for sure.

Well, well, well... so much going on...

I think Ian's "battle" is one that I've picked for myself before.

I, like some of you, do not believe in organized religion. I mean I sincerely doubt that I will ever baptize or join any religious affiliation to become a disciple of that religion. But, it's been my experience that all religions contain some truth and something to learn from.

I've noticed that people get quite "icky sticky" , if you can understnad that, about religion and spirituality. Often people confuse the two.

I think Basdini (I could be wrong) is just trying to stress the importance of spirituality and rightly so, it is important. We are spiritual beings. There is a part of us that is intangible, not physical--the spirit and there is value, lots of value, in percieving ourselves in this manner.
Sometimes, I am convinced of something-- with good reason usually. And I want people to acknowledge what it is I am convinced or feel strongly about. But I don't want them to acknowledge superficially, which is why I like to explain my point of view.

I am not sure that Basdini is taking this too personally. He's still wants to discuss things and I think we are better in discussing than avoiding. So....

words are tricky... there's just so much we can say....

LEE, you went to PC... what year? Gee, guess why I am asking...
I went there from 1992-1996...then they kicked me out ..well sorta...

GOOd night everyone......... I have a job interview tomorrow morning... not that anyone necessarily cares..

I love this place... the earth that is///

what makes it easier to keep the poor under subjugation?

Religion?

I like the way you think. Probably cause you think like I do. nah, well, yes, but it's realistic too.

Except the first paragraph... there is always going to be those people who ruin it for everyone else... are you sure? I am not. I can see the value in considering that the problem of evil won't dissapear.. but it sounds to me like you are saying evil will conquer over good.
Is that what you are saying...?

I'm all for learning a lesson too.. Hey whatever gets the message across.. it's only natural. I am not to argue with that.

we have PRACTICALLY eliminated natural selection in our day to day lives... because of things like valuing things with relatively no survival value. People, in general, are rather unintelligent.. it is not surprising considering all of the history (past) that we are apparently above and beyond.

dictionaries...dictionaries..

definition of religion:

religion is A WAY OF LIFE wether positive, negative, or neutral or a combination...

our= your


never=ever

whatever... like as if you didn't figure that out.

of course, you would.

instead of doing this whole save the environment business...you might consider getting enough money to build a bomb/disaster chamber so that you can save but you are your family. Mind you, after the dust settles... you might have to fight mr. bush.

There are also very non-religious people who let theur beliefs guide them into doing stupid things.

I wonder why you would blame the religion and not the action. Religion is a neutral thing, humans make it into a positive or negative.

I, personally, will not disregard or not respect a whole religion just because some people use it to the detriment of others. I undertnad that if some aspects of a religion can be used negatively upon others, it makes one wonder about the religion. However, the bottom line is people need to learn how to think.

got it... I think we're on the same page..litterally and symbolically.,

PEOPLE may, once again even, make the planet uninhabitable until nature renews itself, potentially enabling humans to live on it again.


^^They may or they might... nothing is inevitable.

You know what it PROBABLy will happen the way you say it will , more or less. But not necessarily.

Even though alot people seem like they don't care...they actually do. How cocky of me...but true...
Change is inevitable..for better or worse...

I'm not sure I understnad what you mean.

I think you are being ironic. BUt still, could you make it clearer to me.

I do and many other people too. But I suppose you realized that.

when it comes to my senses, many things are pleasing-- even if they are not objectively "good" for me.

I still go sometimes. What am I talking about... I've never been raving so often as I did the last few months of 2004. I've been taking it easy on the raving shizzit since the end of november. I fell behind in two classes. BUt I still managed to get high 70's.

Joe Ogre: our story sounds plausible. It's not all that hard to belive you haven't been to a rave. Then again, I don't think I have anyr eason to believe you have never been either.

caring about one small part of the environment is better than caring about none of it.
Yes, there are many little things people can do to help the environment as you mentioned neoform. ACtually, those little things add up and they are not so little anymore.

the boreal forest is by far a relatively large part of the environment.

run by a bunch of corrupt-o idiots... eh? How do you figure? Because you say so....

I personally don't know greenpeace all that well. I've seen that they have done some pro-nature/poeple stuff.

what do y'all think about Gm foods? Think they are safe enough to use and not have any awfully terrible repercussions?

I submit her:

Up until I was seven, I practiced religion and believe in God. But then I found out that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

supernatural being=santa

to eat the bag of chocolate chips or not- that is the question. kill columbians or save myself... hmmm... those chocolate chips are real good. ...

I should never have eaten that bag of nestle milk chocolate chips!

genetically modified poodle lol--- nah just a real bad haircut. But then again, what can I tell.

There's plenty of immediately beneficial consequences to GE foods.

Yeah, but now it's getting more complicated because the rate of modification is increasing.

I cant help it.

lol... environmentally friendly tear-tissue you mean.

[ www.greenpeace.ca ]


The above link will bring you to greanpeace's website, where you can view/download a list of all known GM foods.

They tell you, which foods are genitically modified and which are not....

ignorance is bliss...

the article:

Kimberly-Clark: wiping away our ancient forests

Wed 26 January 2005
CANADA/Boreal Forest
Kimberly-Clark is the largest tissue product company in the world, making brands such as Kleenex. But every time you flush a piece of Kleenex toilet paper you're also flushing away Canada's oldest forests.

In North America, less than 19 percent of the pulp Kimberly-Clark uses for its disposable tissue products (including toilet paper, facial tissue, napkins and paper towels) comes from recycled sources. The rest is made from forests, many of which have existed for thousands of years. For example, Kimberly-Clark's own documents show that it is logging intact forests in the Canadian Boreal containing trees that are upwards of 180 years old. The Boreal forest is the largest ancient forest left in North America and the habitat of such species as grizzly and black bears, woodland caribou, wolves, bald eagles, and boreal owls.

Kleercut

Much of the virgin tree fibre Kimberly-Clark uses for its tissue products comes from unsustainably logged forests. These forests are predominantly logged in clearcuts - a devastating form of logging where most if not all trees are removed from an area of forest. What's left behind is a barren landscape that can no longer support wildlife species.

Gettin' snotty

Kimberly-Clark claims to be an environmental leader. But for decades they have unsustainably cleared ancient forests to manufacture products that are used only once and then thrown away.



Tissue products containing high amounts of recycled and FSC-certified fibres are of comparable quality and price to virgin fibre products - despite Kimberly-Clark's claims to the contrary. (For examples, see the Canadian Shoppers Guide).


Here are two of the most important actions that concerned consumers can take:


* Stop buying Kimberly-Clark products including Kleenex brand products and start buying forest friendly alternatives, and
* Let Kimberly-Clark know that you want them to stop clearcutting ancient forests like Canada's Boreal. You can send them a message at [ kleercut.net ]



Pulp fiction

Although Kimberly-Clark will tell you that they buy their pulp from sustainably managed forests, the majority of its pulp is actually from logging operations that do not meet our recognized standard of sustainability. We consider only one set of standards to be a credible measure of sustainability: the Forest Stewardship Council's (FSC) management and certification system.

Many of the logging companies that Kimberly-Clark does buy pulp from are certified by such schemes as the Sustainable Forestry Initiative or the Canadian Standards Association. Both of these systems are created by industry for industry and are neither ecologically nor socially progressive.

Don't flush ancient forests down the toilet - take action!

Greenpeace Canada and its allies including activists like you are asking Kimberly-Clark to:


* Immediately stop purchasing virgin fibre from endangered forests
* Drastically increase the amount of recycled fibre that they use for all their tissue products including Kleenex brand toilet paper, facial tissue and napkins
* Begin purchasing fibre from Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) eco-certified forests. The FSC is the only guarantee that forests are managed sustainably.
* Phase out the use of damaging chlorine dioxide to bleach tissue



Check out [ www.kleercut.net ] now to find out more and take action!

Looks like Kimberley-Clark maker of "kleenex" is tearing up the boreal forest to make its goods.


[ www.greenpeace.org ]