A Good Reason To Change...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 9:35am |
 Coolness: 165480 | QUOTE (london electricity)
i've been working on the new London elektricity album for over a year, and fell in love with Reason last year. I stopped working on Cubase, + have been writing on reason for the last 12 months - it's great for when I'm on the road too. I cut a load of dubplates of my new tracks, and whilst in the mix last week I realised that all my reason tunes sounded, well, kind of out of focus. so when I got back to the studio I + the other artist on Hospital did some control tests, using 2 minute slices of classical music, some d+b, some pop, and compared how the files sounded in Reason, cubase, Peak + Protools. It really seems that in Reason there is a big sonic compromise - I always wondered how Reason can be so economical with cpu power, and it seems that it's because Reason only uses part of the waveform. Since then I've been talking to other producers in the d+b, breaks + garage community, most of whom won't use reason because of it's sound. I am gutted, because I love the interface + the genius of the patch system. I have transferred a couple of the tunes I made in Reason to Cubase using the source files(unprocessed by Reason) + reconstructed them exactly. They now sound proper. Before you rag me out for my disloyalty to Reason, let me say I still think it's a brilliant tool, it's just that it doesnt have the necessary sound quality for making top notch productions. I wish so much that propellerheads would produce a transparent, power hungry pro version. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Oliver_TwisteD replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 2:50pm |
 Coolness: 86365 | with all the reason tracks i've ever heard, and all the fruity-loops tracks i've ever heard, i would have to say that the tracks produced in reason have a certain lush quality which i've never heard in a fruity-song.
on another note, normal listeners don't care about sonic comprimises. it's practically un-noticable to the un-trained ear. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Oliver_TwisteD replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 3:09pm |
| Coolness: 86365 | the last comment is only MY opinion.
i'm tired of having audio program wars. you can make music with a stick, and a washboard. POINT FINALE! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 4:18pm |
 Coolness: 102885 | word!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 4:46pm |
 Coolness: 201905 | Fruity also has that ugly built in limiter that crushes your sound if you have the volume too loud... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» G__ replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 5:57pm |
 Coolness: 142045 | i have to say, i agree with whoever's quote that was ... in the first post...
i think reason is a really amazing program, so diverse, and not extremely difficult to understand, but it REAAALY does have a sound problem, most of my stuff I find comes out sound hollow, or weak...reason really should be a more thirsty program... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 6:31pm |
 Coolness: 300005 | it is true, but nobody said fruity loops was any better |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 6:44pm |
| Coolness: 201905 | Nobody should expect the output of reason or another computer music program to sound as good as a song mixed and mastered by professionals...
Now, if you record the tracks and get it mixed and mastered by professionals it could sound pretty fly... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 7:12pm |
| Coolness: 67195 | Fruity Loops has superior sound quality to Reason, its a known fact. The only think infact that beats FL Studio's sound quality is Jeskola's Cubase wannabe program.
Reason's interface is for the birds. Its so unmanagable, so horrid. The piano roll makes me wanna puke. There is no paint tool, you can't expand it width wise, quantizing sucks, no ghost keys from other patterns/channels, ect ect ect. FL Studio may not have the best interface, but its twice the program Reason is or could ever be. As long as it remains proprietary, take up 10% of the screen, and alias sound, it will never be a worthwhile program. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 7:25pm |
| Coolness: 201905 | I don't really find the program is as important as the producer themselves... I mean I have heard lots of excellent music produced in reason (like some of thinner's artists), oliver twisted and earwigisbent also push it pretty far... I have heard lots of good as well as bad music done in cubase, stuff done in buzz can range from absolutely horrid to pro sounding, and I'm sure there are some good fruityloops producers too...
The best sampler is jeskola xs-1 (by the guy who wrote buzz), which is a vst synth and buzz device... I'd probably say the reason why Reason might sound better than fruityloops is because the bundled devices and effects in fruity are not the greatest sounding but you can always use top notch dx and vst stuff in it... While Reason the devices sound good but you are limited on what you can use... BTW the aliasing in reason's samplers in high quality mode is much less than most other programs and hardware samplers... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 7:30pm |
| Coolness: 67195 | Fruity Loops's default plugins suck, except for maybe the 3xOsc, but luckily FL Studio supports everything from XI looped samples to Buzz Generators to VSTi to DXi to, well, you get the idea.
One thing that really kicks ass is the wave traveler for beat scratching and the beat slicer to tear inside a drum loop. FLS' reverb plugin is decent too. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Oliver_TwisteD replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 8:52pm |
| Coolness: 86365 | so OLLY!
what was the point of this post? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 9:45pm |
 Coolness: 686270 | Yeah, I've recently started abusing the beat slicer in fruityloops, it's fucking great. The Wave Traveler also, I haven't seen anything like that anywhere else (I abuse the fuck out of it on the short demo "Rubber" in my stuff)
Fruity Loops just has so much you can do with it, and it's so damn conveniant for a lot of things. Fuck, I've still got Reason installed and every once in a while I open it up to try and see if I can do anything with it, and once I've got a semi-decent beat going, I drop in a synth and I can't find anything other than that matrix sequencer to use as a piano roll of sorts. Reason LOOKS nice, and it sounds good, too. But in an atempt to make it "look" like a hardware studio they didn't improve on the hardware's limitations. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Oliver_TwisteD replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 9:51pm |
| Coolness: 86365 | yes they did.
thats what all the CV gates are made for. . . it totally blows my mind, dude. . . nyuknyuknyuk |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 9:52pm |
| Coolness: 201905 | spooky: It's something called a midi controller... you hit record and play what you want... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 10:10pm |
| Coolness: 686270 | Yeah, not everyone has one of those. Fruity loops has that, also. And you can go back and edit things if you fucked up somewhere, or draw the whole thing if you don't have one. Then there's the formula controller, where you can set it so that one controll reacts a certain way based on another control... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 10:13pm |
| Coolness: 67195 | Reason's interface is the worst in the audio software world. The simple fact that it cant be expanded horizontally, and it takes up so much space vertically, makes me wonder why reason is still so popular.
It really blows my mind how awful the piano roll is. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 10:16pm |
| Coolness: 686270 | 
That's the wave traveler. You load in a sample and set the boundaries of where you want to scratch (top left waveform). The area you selected to scratch is the vertical waveform on the right. the middle part is where you draw what will scratch where. Basically, in a sample played "straight", it would be a line from the bottom left to the top right. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Oliver_TwisteD replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 10:23pm |
| Coolness: 86365 | i have a big penis |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Sep 21, 2003 @ 10:24pm |
| Coolness: 201905 | damn.. these are some pretty dumb arguments...
When you use reason with a midi controller.. you can get things done way faster than choosing notes with a mouse... But I mean, if people are too cheap to buy something that is practically essential for producing.. then yeah life will suck... Cubase sucks without a midi controller too... |
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