Artificial Intelligence Programming
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Mon Aug 25, 2003 @ 11:59pm |
 Coolness: 300005 | im surprised no one mentionned isaac asimov |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 12:29am |
 Coolness: 340345 | you haven't given me ANY good reason why it could exist.
this isn't innocent untill proven guilty, AI hasn't been made, prove that it IS possible. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 12:41am |
 Coolness: 686270 | Here's a good one. They made a computer learn how to "walk" and keep it's balance with no external help.
[ www.q12.org ] Like I keep saying: Read up on what your arguing about before saying anything. It makes you look like less of an idiot. There are more than enough links on the page that Olee posted as his first post of this thread that you haven't even glanced over. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 12:42am |
| Coolness: 340345 | would anyone like to give me a rundown as to how such a program would work?
i don't mean posting some link to a website i'm not going to read. i wanna hear it from you. and nothing so general as to say "an AI that can re-write it's code based on information it's given".. i mean explain in your words. in a decent amount of detail, and explain how the AI would do things.. this really isn't very difficult.. any program designer would be able to explain how the engine to his project works.. tell me how you think an AI would work. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 12:46am |
 Coolness: 201905 | did you even check the link he posted? The person has their entire thesis online, perhaps you should read some of it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 10:07am |
 Coolness: 149495 | while im not taking any sides because i dont want to somehow end up as the example for supposedly blindly thinking things that i have ample proof of... cough cough
fred, your whole dealy with the 2+2=4 and the arrow made no sense... yes, a computer can follow rules... but what i think ian is trying to show is that the human brain encompasses more things than logic alone. much of human thought is rash and illogical... can a computer be creative? but truly creative, not a calculated creativity based on millions of creative processes before it... can a computer feel pain or pleasure without having a mega-memory bank of previous feelings of pain and pleasure... can it learn how to feel them without learning (understandably nonsensical statement)... we are born without any knowledge of anything yet we know that the breast will provide us food... instinct, can a computer have instincts? can it think without thinking? sure, a robot can learn to walk, but it is being told to do so... its programming gives it a begin (not being able to walk) and a goal (baing able to walk) can a robot without any knowledge of the fact that it cant walk suddenly decide that it wants to learn how? what i believe ian is trying to say is that the programming of that robot has told it what it is going to be doing... the way it goes about it is an entirely different story, but keep in mind that it already has a goal in mind... creativity is lacking, spontaneous and illogical thought... it cant learn to talk also since it has been programmed to learn to walk... sure robots will one day mimic humans to such an extent that they will seem better than human... but i doubt they will ever truly have a human thought capacity... will an AI robot one day be walking down the street, see a banana and thing of the president of the US ecause his thought process made him think Banana -> Dole -> former US presidential candidate -> US president? i dont think it will... computer ARE nothing ore than huge ultra powerful calculators, and i dont think that the human brain functions are calculable |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 10:34am |
| Coolness: 67195 | would anyone like to give me a rundown as to how such a program would work? i don't mean posting some link to a website i'm not going to read. i wanna hear it from you. and nothing so general as to say "an AI that can re-write it's code based on information it's given".. i mean explain in your words. in a decent amount of detail, and explain how the AI would do things.. this really isn't very difficult.. any program designer would be able to explain how the engine to his project works.. tell me how you think an AI would work. Everything we're saying we are backing up with facts, you chose not to read those facts. We've tried explaining how the program works, but you refuse to believe it. The problem here is that you refuse everything, but don't respond with facts of your own. We have proof AI can exist, you have no proof AI can't exist. We win, you lose. --- Afrokaboozy, emotions are a survival mechanism. No reason why computers can't imitate emotions. But that is completely irrelevent, since we are discussion artificial intelligence, not artificial humanity. The two are different. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 10:49am |
| Coolness: 149495 | there we go!
thats it! thats what i was trying to get at but didnt know it... thats what ian is trying to say... i think hes arguing against artificial humanity... not AI (hes just not going about it very well since he feels attacked) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 12:02pm |
| Coolness: 340345 | "We win, you lose."
yes you do, now go program an AI specifically mean to turn evil and kill everyone, cause i know there will never be an AI that will ever turn evil on its own. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 1:10pm |
| Coolness: 149495 | oh! and also...
you said youre talking about Artificial Inteligence, not Artificial Humanity... but intelligence, in itself, does not exists... what is "intellgence"... you must be reffering to human intelligence, and as human intelligence is intrinsically related to human emotion, i believe AI and AH to be one and the same... 'intelligence' cannot exist without humanity... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Tue Aug 26, 2003 @ 5:55pm |
| Coolness: 67195 | intelligence is merely the ability to aquire and process knowledge. Everything you do is based on your level of ability to process knowledge. Your morals, ethics, feelings, the ability to drive a car, and figure out the faster route from point a to point b. Its all based on how you process the knowledge you have. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 27, 2003 @ 12:34am |
| Coolness: 340345 | aahahahaha
so in that case all cumputers are intelligent, calculators are intelligent.. hell, my tv remote is intelligent, since it's able to do something based on my interaction with it. i push the button it turns on an infra red light. granted, my remote isn't 'very' intelligent, but it's still intelligent none the less.. (by your theory). face it, computers can only do one thing. take numbers and process it. if you think that there is some 'other' thing that computers can become as in this "AI" taht you think can be made, then you are wrong. You can tell a computer what is funny, and tell it to laugh, but you cannot tell it to tell you what funny is. why? because unless you tell a computer to do something it like any other man made object, will sit there and do nothing. computers without users idle. think about what would happen to thye internet should everyone stop using it. it would simply sit there and idle doing absolutly nothing.. sure there might be some schedualed things that will routinely happen, but the internet would effectively die without us. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Wed Aug 27, 2003 @ 10:07am |
| Coolness: 67195 | thats because it isn't designed to evolve.
I bet you never ever get contracts for web development since you don't even think like a web developer. You say you know C++, well. Lets use that. The only difference between C++ and C is that C is procedural programming, C++ is both procedural and object oriented. Why is OOP so beneficial? SCALABILITY and PORTABILITY. The two most important words in web development. You have no clue what EITHER of those words mean, because if you did, you would not sit here saying that AI is not possible because of the present state of things. You are like so many other people, no vision, no concept of the future and no ability to make a logical assumption of what the future may hold. So your arguements are completely and 100% flawed because of your lack of vision, and this is why I hope you don't get contracts. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 27, 2003 @ 12:13pm |
| Coolness: 340345 | SCALABILITY and PORTABILITY..
reusing old code, yeah, i can see how this directly involves AI.. and as for the webdesigning, at least i can make a useable website. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX replied on Wed Aug 27, 2003 @ 2:12pm |
| Coolness: 67195 | no one mentioned design
we're talking development AI doesn't need to look pretty. So don't change the subject in an attempt to disqualify my points. --- portability/scalability is not just reusing old code. Portability means to allow an application to span as many architectures, platforms and backends as possible. Like taking a message forum and making it work no MS SQL, MySQL, PosGreSQL, ect ect ect. Thats a portable application. Scalability means how easy that program can expand. If a message forum only supports MySQL, how easy will it be to add support for a new database like PosGreSQL? Maybe all the SQL functions are custom made, and its just a matter of adding an if statement to determine which db to use? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 27, 2003 @ 7:57pm |
| Coolness: 340345 | and you're telling me that i don't follow these guidlines of scalability based on what?
based on my believing AI cannot be done on current technology? oh hell yeah i can defenetly see where you're coming from. fact is i plan my sites VERY well actually, any code that gets used more then once is immediately placed into it's own function. i find it very odd that you should assume i have bad coding habbits based on a debate about AI. I also find it strange how you fred and scotty have all taken this quite personally and have even become abusive about it. calm the fuck down, it's a freakin BBS debate about something that doesn't matter. |
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