Religon
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 3:29am |
 Coolness: 149700 | not once, not twice, but THREE times..
religon religon... liam, like you seem like a smart guy and all... i think there's a good chance you have a mild form of dyslexia which applies perhaps only to the second 'i' in religion... hmmmm. onelove |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 3:54am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 10:28am |
 Coolness: 174785 | Death to candy, I’ll have to disagree with you in the three major religion does it say nowhere to kill…If you look at Exodus 22:18, “you must not allow a witch to live”. As a Wiccan I would definitely consider this some doctrinal threat on pagans. The word ‘witchcraft’ continues to instill much controversy and fear with the citizens of the world today. Unfortunately there is still an Evangelism, which considers Wicca a deviant worship of the Devil. Even though the patriarchal gods of Christianity have no dwelling within the Wiccan pantheon. Where does all this hate stem from? Christianity & Hollywood. All of this is because of ignorance, not because of words.
Now I will not attempt to denounce any religion, because as Kira said, I do not believe in right & wrong or good & evil. Yet the existence of religion is not to prove who of us are holier than though. It was established as a search for knowledge, for spiritualism. Unfortunately our minds have not reached the peek of evolution and our comprehension of the cosmos is limited, thus faith becomes our pillars where we are weak. Which sometimes becomes a problem, a “blind faith” is the worst kind. To be easily influenced and directed like a sheep is not faith. The pope is not a hypnotist, so only you are to blame for the followings. You cannot blame doctrine for creating hate. Books don’t kill people, people kill people. Now we can go into Confucius and talk about humans are innately evil…blah blah blah… or in the dialectical model of how humans have evil coursing through their veins since the era of the “fall”… I’ll save that for a later discussion. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 10:38am |
 Coolness: 149510 | ok.... open to interpretation
il believe what iwant to believe because the more i argue the more i get nowhere... bleah... im sick of religious debate do you want me to firebomb your house? will that make you happy? wil you be right then? will i be wrong? fuck! i dont care... believe what you want |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 10:45am |
| Coolness: 174785 | Exactly you can let yourself be victim to a following. I studied many new religious movements this semester, and i've seen many cases of physical & mental abuse. Also on the other hand i;ve seen how new religious movements are a good thing... we must be open to understanding knowledge. Religious dialogue is a must within our society...everyone holds piece to the puzzle, we will get no where is we start burning half the world. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» elixireleven replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 10:50am |
| Coolness: 74535 | boobie: no one's telling you otherwise.
and that's just the point. what you believe in is your choice (so we'd like to think but that's a matter of how you view reality and the concept of originality or individualism which is an entirely different debate altogehter). religion as subjective is simply that, form your own conclusions on the universe and act accordingly. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 10:52am |
| Coolness: 149510 | and thats what ive done, but it seems that the ONE person who says religion is wrong because it makes people say youre wrong im right, is telling me that im a "gullible loony" for coming to my own conclusions about the universe
thats annoying... and quite hypocritical... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» elixireleven replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 10:56am |
| Coolness: 74535 | not religion, that's dogma.
and if dogma sucks, reject it. if the doctrine works for you GOOD FOR YOU and fuck what everyone else thinks. now not to insult spooky but his particular beliefs would not exist without the existence of the very doctrine he's railing against. and that was my point to begin with - it's all about polar opposites when you boil it down. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 11:06am |
| Coolness: 174785 | Dogma may or may not work for certain individuals...yet it is human need to have others follow your beliefs. THe idea that you'll be less alone. And the more there are, there more you are right (wrong mentality) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» elixireleven replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 11:13am |
| Coolness: 74535 | but its always dogma that creates the problem, not the faith itself, not god, or goddess, or satan.
it's stupid interpretation. to be the least tolerent i can right now; stupid interpretation from *cough* potentially stupid individuals. not to insult anyone here or course. that's just my westernized way of thinking speaking. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 11:21am |
| Coolness: 174785 | But these dogmas came from humans...who claim the Holy Spirit was invoked within, and thus it wasn't human interpretation, but god working through man. Humans cannot grasp god's self-disclosure through words, thus making doctrine fallible. It says nowhere in the bible, Torah or Koran, that these writings are infallible.
I do not generally think its the words that hold the ability of breed hate, but the interpretation...look at the raliens and there scientific interpretation of the bible...one word...Elohim. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 11:23am |
 Coolness: 686285 | well, for one, my "association" with a certain religious denomination is coincidental. I've had my beliefs all of my life. When I was 3 or 4 my grandmother that babysat me tried teaching me all about religion and catholicism, and I always asked questions that made her mad and I never trusted blindly in anything. Jesus' miracles just sounded like fairy tales to me. The idea and concept of a god is something that I didn't believe in then for the same reason I don't believe in it now. And this is coming from a kid who was going to be a Ghostbuster when he grew up.
God is just the easter bunny or santa for adults. It's something to give you hope of a reward (presents/chocolate = heaven) for behaving a certain way (Santa knows who's naughty and nice = sin and go to hell, live good go to heaven) by a mythical figure created by some people (parents/grandparents = priests/popes/rabbis/misc. figgures of religious importance) to keep the people under controll and to give them a specific set of morals so that they could set down a definite "right" and "wrong" way to live and what you are and aren't alowed to do. Down to there very concept, "organised" religions of any sort are just ways of telling people what's right and wrong and a way to controll people into certain morals that the creators of the religion see as the "right" way to live. heaven and hell is just the same as the laws of 3 or karma. Do "good" and get good in return. Do "bad" and get bad in return. The diffrence between biblical religions and wiccan/pagan derivatives is simply that the wiccan/pagan ones teach acceptance more than the biblical ones. Spells are just prayers with a diffrent name. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» elixireleven replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 11:23am |
| Coolness: 74535 | yes dear.
ok i'm off, i'm getting antsy so i'm going to go run around the city. enjoy work. ;) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 11:30am |
| Coolness: 174785 | kira while you are down there buy me sumfing :D |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Purple_Lee replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 4:19pm |
 Coolness: 239315 | Yes i have a mild form of dyslexia hence why my spelling sucks ass!!! I even have a speach inpedment(comes out when i am really tired or really fucked up)
I myself i am to my own way a spirtal person. I was brought up as a chatolic, but i moved away from that @ a young age. I guess you could say i was looking for inligtment in my own being within the different thoughts on "is there or not a god?" Religon is a personal quest, but i hate the mass forcing of religon belive on people. There is allot that can be learned from the different religons..but basically they say the same thing. Preformed social rules with a over looking god to spice things up. Lee |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 4:53pm |
| Coolness: 149510 | "biblical" religions never said to kill or be intolerant
just cuz you cant find answers dont say mine are wrong... if you dont have them yourself how can you judge? judging... something YOURE doing but that Christianity (the OH horrible one) teaches not to do, for its not right.. also, wiccan/pagan teach tolerance? doesnt show if thats what you claim to be... youre not being very tolerant to my views |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 5:35pm |
| Coolness: 686285 | I don't claim to be wiccan or pagan. In fact, they quite often dissgust me more than christians. They teach most of the same morals, they teach that you have to do good to get good in the longrun. Spells are just another word for prayers, and rituals are nothing more than mass disguised as something that uses every stereotype you'll find on "ancient" cult rituals. Pagans and wiccans are just wannabe rebels of "accepted" religions but that lack the balls or willpower to live for themselves and seek acceptance in a mass of likeminded rebelious sheep.
Granted, there ARE quite a few diffrences, like for one the "devil" (Horned one) isn't seen as the enemy, but as a necesity of life for balance to exist. But in the end it comes down to the same thing. They cast "spells" because they don't believe that THEY have the power to simply will change into their lives and need the assistance of some archaic dogma derived from fantasy novels to feel powerfull and in the end they thank "gods" and "godesses" for things that THEY are responsible for, yet too weak to do it without "assistance". The "religion" that I "associate" myself with is satanism, and it is only for the past 3-4 years that I've done so. I still have the same beliefs that I always did, it just turns out that there are a large amount of people that have similar beliefs on lots of subjects as I have had for all of my life. I don't believe in "god" or "satan", but I do believe that there is ONE force in my life that shapes EVERYTHING that I do, and that one thing is responsible for every single action I take and how I react to everything that goes on around me: Myself. I am my own god. I live for myself, I die for myself, and I have complete and total faith and belief in myself and how I run my life. I hate sheep who need to rely on other people for help and support because they are simply week and unfit to live and think for themselves. I didn't need to read a book to aquire my beliefe in myself. I didn't need someone telling me what's out there and how to behave, I discovered it all for myself. If I fuck up in my life, I don't pass it off as "It was meant to be" or "fate" or "karma" or "divine will", I take responsibility for the fuckup and for whatever actions I have taken. Religious people are told, and they believe. I think, therefore I am. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 5:45pm |
| Coolness: 149510 | i came to my own realizations too!
idiots are told and believe... im CERTAIN that there are people who were TOLD to believe in satanism and now do... not too many people put much thought into their religious (or philosophical or theological or whatever) beliefs... they "believe" what theyve been told, or more accurately what they can remember, since they never actually put any thought into it... if you had kids, i can GUARANTEE you will teach them, even without trying, what you believe...and BOOM! theyre brainwashed... they believe what theyve been told....by you! i believe in God... and He never said that bad things 'were meant to be" or that it was fate... HE GAVE US FREE WILL!! we can do what we please... anything that comes out of this life came from OUR OWN FREE CHOICES... now tell me im an idiot for letting myself be brainwashed... as you said: "it just turns out that there are a large amount of people that have similar beliefs on lots of subjects as I have had for all of my life" so i am christian for the same reasons as you are not... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» elixireleven replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 9:09pm |
| Coolness: 74535 | my father's agnostic, my mom's catholic, i'm neo-pagan and lean heavily on the hindu and egyptian traditions. nothing was forced down my throat as a kid. i came to voudun over six years ago totally by mistake, thus i turned to animism, polytheism, pantheism, in short, if there is a higher being out there, or in here in this body, or in that rock or plant or leaf or in my two shih tzus, or even in spooky or azazel or whoever; i relate to it in the way i choose and i will worship in the way i chose, and quite frankly, if someone demonstrates themselves stupidly i will not hesitate to return the favor.
spooky: kill babies? roast em? eat their young and plump and succulent flesh? maybe i should go hug a tree or something. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu May 8, 2003 @ 9:16pm |
 Coolness: 151155 | "Religon has done nothing but divide" |
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