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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 9:59am
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okee fak toi si un donkey va all in dans la premiere main pis que ta genre une grosse pair tu y va automatiquement ? :) heahaehea funny ! dans les tournois si tattend 5-10min sans rien faire au debut tu va te rendre compte que toute les loser qui joue au bingo vont all in au debut pour gagner le edge du chip stack !

essaye le sans joke fais des tournois online cest fucking drole le monde vont toute all in ! cest a toi a decider si tu penses que tu peut battre un donkey qui va all in pour rien!

cest clair que ya des situations ou bien JOUER = Perdre la main :) cest la beaute du poker! mais qqun qui jouerais tjs parfaitement aurais des resultats superieur a la longue!

mais tk jveux pas me chicaner ak vous autres la surtout quon aime toute le poker on va pas commencer a sobstiner sur ce que sa represente pour nous ! mais jsuis content de voir que la plupart du monde
vois sa comme un jeu de hasard :) sujet clot

see u on the table :P
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 10:07am
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Ca rien a voir avec la premiere main, est-ce que jai parlé de premiere main? J'ai dit que si tu y va all in, pi qu'un donkey te call comme un cave quand y'a fucking rien a part des draws pi qui te plante sur la river c'est tout aussi random que les cartes sinon plus.

C'est effectivement un jeu de hazard ou les decisions des joueurs ont une plus grande importance que les cartes elles meme... Je parlais de gambling, pas de hazard. En bout de ligne les skills sont important, mais des fois on est chanceux et ce sont souvent ces mains chanceuses ou les deux joueurs sont all in et que du flop au turn a la river y'a des revirement que l'on se souvient le plus... Ou justement un coup de chance comme mon ami qui flop une straight flush qui slow play pour owner son beau frere (jai pris la sage decision de me coucher)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 12:03pm
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exact! bon jsuis content quon pense pareil fiew :D
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 12:46pm
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Just a misunderstanding :P
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 2:33pm
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You seem to have a lot of "misunderstandings" lately ;)

Aprizm is chill, no need to get worked up
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 2:47pm
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hey i do my best :P lets all be friend
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 5:08pm
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Scenario: You're holding an ace high flush, the other player has been doing nothing but calling you all the way down to the river, where the board then pairs it'self. The other player pushes all in, if you call you're assuming he doesn't have a full house.

Since you say it's all about the math/numbers, why not give me the statistical probability that he doesn't have a full house. Then explain to me how it ISN'T gambling to put all your money in on a series of assumptions that lead you to believe that you will win as a result.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 5:14pm
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sorry guys, i got back to my place too late (not really late, but later than i expected) so the game will have to be set-back. :)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 5:20pm
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unprofessional!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 6:04pm
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lol
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 6:24pm
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yeah you guys keep talking about hands and games and im talking about a shitload of hands ! you cant base statistic on one hand thats just bein stupid hehahea
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 7:27pm
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Originally Posted By APR1ZM

yeah you guys keep talking about hands and games and im talking about a shitload of hands ! you cant base statistic on one hand thats just bein stupid hehahea


Exactly. There is no math behind it. You have to go with gut feelings and weigh how likely you think it is, but at the end of the day, you're gambling that he doesn't have it.

Poker = Gambling.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 7:28pm
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degenerates, tsk tsk
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 7:33pm
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Masterbation isn't sex!!!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DonLouis replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 8:19pm
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vinny any time man
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 9:50pm
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Originally Posted By THE.NEOFORM

Scenario: You're holding an ace high flush, the other player has been doing nothing but calling you all the way down to the river, where the board then pairs it'self. The other player pushes all in, if you call you're assuming he doesn't have a full house.

Since you say it's all about the math/numbers, why not give me the statistical probability that he doesn't have a full house. Then explain to me how it ISN'T gambling to put all your money in on a series of assumptions that lead you to believe that you will win as a result.


you should post these same comments on the 2plus2 forum for a laugh

for now...

- what did you put him on PF, on the flop, turn and riv
- what range of hands is the guy playing before this hand
- what's your position in relation to this villain
- how did you bet (were you giving good odds for the calls)
- what is your image like at the table (you're a loose / maniac guy might call you down with reason)
- how much is villain up / down
- what's his stack at
- how long has he been at the table and how long playing as a calling station.
- did you flop a flush or drew to a flush
- does he appear strong or weak...or giving a reverse tell that says he's weak but he's strong

If you put the guy on a set on the flop or turn...and the board pairs on the river....guess what? You got rivered and you can fold to any bet or check it down. If you shoved or put another penny in the pot...that would be stupid not gambling.

this and hundreds more variables should be considered that reduce the element of gamble.

poker does not = gambling
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Jan 18, 2009 @ 10:52pm
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Jan 19, 2009 @ 1:03am
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Originally Posted By BODKIN_VAN_HORN

you should post these same comments on the 2plus2 forum for a laugh

for now...

- what did you put him on PF, on the flop, turn and riv
- what range of hands is the guy playing before this hand
- what's your position in relation to this villain
- how did you bet (were you giving good odds for the calls)
- what is your image like at the table (you're a loose / maniac guy might call you down with reason)
- how much is villain up / down
- what's his stack at
- how long has he been at the table and how long playing as a calling station.
- did you flop a flush or drew to a flush
- does he appear strong or weak...or giving a reverse tell that says he's weak but he's strong

If you put the guy on a set on the flop or turn...and the board pairs on the river....guess what? You got rivered and you can fold to any bet or check it down. If you shoved or put another penny in the pot...that would be stupid not gambling.

this and hundreds more variables should be considered that reduce the element of gamble.

poker does not = gambling


Wow, thanks for the poker 101 course, I see you skimmed through harington on holdem vol 1.

So tell me, you've worked out the probabilities to being a 5% chance that he doesn't have a boat and your flush is good, how is it not gambling to risk all your money on an uncertain outcome?

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAS, YOU ONLY HAVE AN EDUCATED GUESS.

That's called gambling. Deal with it.

[ www.thefreedictionary.com ]

1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.

Poker is gambling, if you think otherwise, you haven't been playing poker long enough.

FYI, I've made $11k at the casino this year playing poker. How much have any of you made?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Mon Jan 19, 2009 @ 1:18am
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Poker isn't gambling unless there's real money at stake.
Infact gambling ain't gambling unless there's money involved.

So if you aren't playing 7-11 for jujube's and Poker for
plastic chips, then you're a fuckin gambler. End of list.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jan 19, 2009 @ 1:37am
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Originally Posted By HOST_ONE

Poker isn't gambling unless there's real money at stake.
Infact gambling ain't gambling unless there's money involved.

So if you aren't playing 7-11 for jujube's and Poker for
plastic chips, then you're a fuckin gambler. End of list.


That's like saying that if you're not playing football for the NFL, you're not playing a sport..

Wether you're playing for fun with plastic chips amongst friends, or playing for real money at a casino/wherever, it's still a form of gambling.

While the definition of gambling specifies that it's 'for money', there's really no other way to play poker.. Even if all your friends get 100$ in chips with no cash involved, you're still betting, despite the fact that you're not actually gaining or losing money.
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