Harper, Premier Dictateur Du Canada
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 4:09pm |
 Coolness: 340380 | What Harper did is no less democratic than what the coalition did.
As PM he has the power to suspend Parliament, so he did in order to let things cool down. He's a dick for doing it, but he's allowed to. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 4:12pm |
 Coolness: 159485 | Heh, I'll bite.
1. Why would a coalition be "undemocratic"? 2. Harper indeed had the right to suspend Parliament, but seeing as it was to evade losing power to a greater majority, how is THAT not "undemocratic"? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 4:16pm |
| Coolness: 340380 | I never said either move was undemocratic. Harper and co. are completely full of shit when they say what the coalition is/was doing is undemocratic, but that doesn't make his move undemocratic either.
The coalition was formed as a knee-jerk reaction to Harper walking in to the new session acting like a big man and trying to push everyone around. Harper's an asshole, but Dion is completely incompetent and I don't want him being PM either. If the Liberals can dig someone else up and put him in power, I'd be more interested in this coalition. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 4:20pm |
 Coolness: 122375 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
59% des Canadiens ont voté, a 38% pour Harper. J'appelle pas ça "les Canadiens ont fait leur choix", moi. Bin le reste avais juste à voter! Ca me fait rire au Québec. Les Québecois aime pas trop Harper, y chialent et bla bla bla mais y se rendent pas compte qui reste 27 millions de canadiens l'autre bord qui vote. Tsé, comme si ont était le centre du monde. C'est ca la démocratie, faut aussi assumé le choix du reste de la masse. My 2 cents |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 4:21pm |
| Coolness: 159485 | Originally Posted By THE.NEOFORM
I never said either move was undemocratic. Harper and co. are completely full of shit when they say what the coalition is/was doing is undemocratic, but that doesn't make his move undemocratic either. The coalition was formed as a knee-jerk reaction to Harper walking in to the new session acting like a big man and trying to push everyone around. Harper's an asshole, but Dion is completely incompetent and I don't want him being PM either. If the Liberals can dig someone else up and put him in power, I'd be more interested in this coalition. Heh, fair enough :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 4:31pm |
 Coolness: 87605 | did you know it is ellegal to say: "I want to kill the prime Minister" ... Even more illegal would be to say: "I really think someone out there should kill the prime Minister".
Though, it would technically be legal to say "With a mortar launcher", since this sentence alone means nothing at all ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 5:39pm |
 Coolness: 145915 | you also have to remember that this whole thing is kind of unprecedented in canada at least, There has never been a formal coalition in modern canadian history (i think?), so in a certain way this is making history, we shouldn't blame our elected representitives too much, they are after all still getting used to the ruff and tumble world of minority goverment i made the comment a few days ago that this is looking more like italy than canada...little did i know...
basically, what happens next is the following, if the idea of a colition can stay alive it becomes trench warfare over the holidays, this will mean a lot of money spent on add blitz and a lot of apperance on round table type things on television and radio...The conservatives desperatly need the surveys of the public to reflect a sharp note of distaste towards any idea of coliation government. For their part, the opposition parties, to the degree that they can keep it together over the next 7 weeks really do have time on their side...The economic crises is become deeper, and the more we look to 2009 it looks like it's gonna be pretty hurting. The economic downturn is the only thing that prevented harper from getting a majority, remember he was ahead in the poles until the stuff with the bailout happenend in the states and the markets were rattled. i guess anything can happen? Does anyone know for a fact (constitutionally that is) whether harper needs the Gov Gen's permision to call another election... if he can do it without her permision he might end up doing that... gonna be an interesting holiday season... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 5:45pm |
 Coolness: 686305 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
Does anyone know for a fact (constitutionally that is) whether harper needs the Gov Gen's permision to call another election... if he can do it without her permision he might end up doing that... something I read on another board on the subject... An important bit of context - the King-Byng affair.
Basically, something similar has happened only once before, in 1926. However, it sets down the precedent by which such things are run. Notably: - if the Prime Minister (PM) asks the Governor General (GG) to do something, and the GG refuses, then the PM must resign. This is due to historically (in England) the PM being an advisor to the monarch, with the GG being the monarch's representative in Canada. - Back then, 1 year after an election was too soon to call another one. Given that we are only some 6 weeks after an election, the GG would likely refuse to call a new election, but instead let the minority parties attempt to form a majority. - That said, the GG's actions in the King (then PM) - Byng (then GG) affair in 1926 are generally seen as a failure, as the resulting coaltion lasted less then 3 months, currently the shortest government in Canadian history. So, if the Liberal-NDP-Block coalition can show that they have staying power, the GG will be more likely to let them try, rather than putting the issue back before the voters. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 5:48pm |
 Coolness: 167260 | have the rules changed? Is it only 4 months in office instead of 4 years now? :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 5:58pm |
 Coolness: 103970 | I laugh at those that say we voted for a minority con govt. This just shows their ignorance of the Canadian parliamentary system. We voted for mps to form parliament a parliament that governs the country. Now if a majority of mps feel they can govern better than the present minority of docuebags that have been assigned the task they are completely invtheir rights to do so. No you didn't vote for a coalition in fact you didn't vote for a particular party per se. You voted for an mp |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 6:29pm |
| Coolness: 159485 | Originally Posted By KISHMAY_PINAS
I laugh at those that say we voted for a minority con govt. This just shows their ignorance of the Canadian parliamentary system. We voted for mps to form parliament a parliament that governs the country. Now if a majority of mps feel they can govern better than the present minority of docuebags that have been assigned the task they are completely invtheir rights to do so. No you didn't vote for a coalition in fact you didn't vote for a particular party per se. You voted for an mp There ya go, that's pretty much my point right there :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 7:54pm |
| Coolness: 145915 | seriously, a lot of the people bitching and moaning about lack of 'democracy' in this whole story need to go back and take civics class and understand the mechanics of how your government works... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 7:56pm |
 Coolness: 2749630 | 66% of the govt is liberal... 33% is conservative... period... but we have 3 groups of liberals... one group of conservatives...
so the 3 groups who go like 22% each, will work together to form a 66% majority... thats how i see it... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Dec 4, 2008 @ 8:06pm |
 Coolness: 510275 | Can someone explain what the heck is going on and what it all means? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Dec 5, 2008 @ 1:02am |
 Coolness: 106830 | Paul Martin, Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton are trying to kick Stephen harper out of bed. Harper went whining to Michaelle Jean so she cock-blocked everyone till January.
Means we are probably going to have more elections. Democracy, weeeeeeeeeeee! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Dec 5, 2008 @ 1:10am |
 Coolness: 201940 | Personally I don't think we should lump all conservatives as conservative and all liberals as liberal. There are varying degrees of the left and the right.. Having a coalition vs. conservative system basically brings us into the realm of the two party watered down liberal vs neocon American situation, which I dislike. I'd like for there to be as many conservative and as many liberal parties as possible. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DonLouis replied on Fri Dec 5, 2008 @ 1:53am |
 Coolness: 84800 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Paul Martin, Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton are trying to kick Stephen harper out of bed. Harper went whining to Michaelle Jean so she cock-blocked everyone till January. Means we are probably going to have more elections. Democracy, weeeeeeeeeeee! Paul Martin? lol? The name's Stephane Dion and if Michael Ingnatieff could get control of liberal party this would all be settled by now |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Dec 5, 2008 @ 2:27am |
| Coolness: 106830 | Oups, Freudian slip. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Fri Dec 5, 2008 @ 2:38am |
 Coolness: 94210 | I think the Liberals did the right thing by forming the coalition. This is going to be the worst recession since the 1930s; it might last upwards of 2 years. Its actually going to be awful, and the recovery is going to be even worse. A large stimulus would be nice; you get the money now and the effects will start to kick in 6-12 months from now where the recession is in full blast. Harper's fiscal update was unimpressive to say the least...there was nothign in it and he simply delayed a deficit for the sake of politics. If you think Canada's immune think again.
The delay of parliament wasnt just a dick move. Its bad for the country. It delays a stimulus that is needed asap |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DonLouis replied on Fri Dec 5, 2008 @ 10:07am |
| Coolness: 84800 | Yeah it's exactly what they're trying to do (the cons).
They don't want to do a move economically so they just close the parliament... |
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