Culture En Peril...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Fri Sep 26, 2008 @ 3:30pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Mon Sep 29, 2008 @ 5:04pm |
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Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
yeah god is dead if you would be that proud to be irish you wouldn't shit on the head of people who's ancestors have been persecuted by the same empire than your ancestors... very true. I believe people who have suffered discrimation and oppression should show solidarity for one another. however, some people wind up being just as arrogant and intolerant as their oppressors were. hypocrisy at it`s finest Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
in fact when i visited my friends in ireland and was speaking with them about the history and politics of canada/quebec they were very understandable and felt very much closer of the french than the english .( not as a personal pov but as a historical pov) Sure yeah. Irish Catholics have a long tradition of political and militant activism at home and abroad. Many settled in North and South America fleeing persecution (Che Guevara, for example, was part Irish on his father`s side). Given their history, of course the Irish are going to be sympathetic to the Quebecois experience here. It would be bizarre if they were not. Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
because if you are irish (i have an irish name as well now..) you probably know the history of your country.. irish people have been under so much british power.. oh oh that remember me our story here in canada.. well as an Irish citizen and as someone who loves to study history, I have to take issue with some of this. I agree that there are obvious commonalities, but you can`t truthfully say that the historical injustices in Quebec are comparable to those experienced by the Irish people. The Anglo-French wars in Quebec were wars of empire. Both were powerful European nations fighting for control of the vast resources of distant lands. It was an imperial game of chess, with little regard for the First Nations peoples who were already here. In contrast, the Irish were fighting a very asymmetrical war against an English invasion. They were fighting for their lives on their own soil, where they have lived since ancient times. *They had their land confiscated by the English crown and given to Scottish Protestant settlers. [ en.wikipedia.org ] The civilian inhabitants of cities were in several cases put to the sword. *after losing their fertile land, whole populations were forcibly transplanted to the desolate rocky western regions - fit only for sheep-herding. Thousands more died of starvation because of this *Hundreds of thousands of these refugees and prisoners-of-war- men women and children - were captured and shipped off to be slaves on English-owned Caribbean plantations. *Celtic customs and the ancient Irish language were outlawed on pain of death, which is why most Irish people speak English today. What the English armies did there would today be classified as genocidal. In the mid-19th century, one million Irish died during the Great Famine, and another million fled. English policy did much to create these conditions, and little to alleviate them. The recent history in Northern Ireland is also extremely savage. Irish Catholics living there had to deal with beatings, imprisonment, torture, and government-backed death squads on a daily basis. Naturally they responded in kind, and for 30 years were fighting a very nasty guerrilla campaign against the British forces there. Parts of Northern Ireland were the most dangerous place in the world for a British soldier to be stationed, up until very recently. The British government even has a full-scale model of a Northern Irish village deep inside the Rock of Gibraltar where soldiers could train. [ 74.125.45.104 ] exercises. So yeah, to reiterate... what has gone on in Northern Ireland since the 1960s alone makes the discrimination against Francophones here seem like a walk in the park. Same WASP enemy, but totally different league. The FLQ wouldn`t last long over there.. I think they`d find it a little too scary. oh and also my friends in dublin speak all english 4 sure but prefer speaking their REAL/OWN language which is gaelige or irish gaelic.. well it is the Irish Goidelic or Gaelic branch of Celtic, but the language is correctly referred to simply as Irish. Nice to see people speaking it.. far from the norm, though. Most Irish people in the cities have been speaking English as their first language for a long time. My dad speaks Irish, but where he comes from has always been a big nationalist stronghold, so they encouraged the kids to learn and speak it. The only people who speak Irish as their true first language are in small remote communities in the West. Good to see people are keeping it alive. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Mon Sep 29, 2008 @ 5:36pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Sep 29, 2008 @ 5:42pm |
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Was the only anglophone at my school which was a french private school, Used to fight everyday, Got picked on by the french kids cause I was english, Got picked on by the black kids cause I was white, Then one day this kid from Quebec showed up, And they started picking on him cause he was Quebecois, We ended up becoming very good friends, So the moral of the story is there are idiots everywhere, And Quebecois are still some of the coolest people on the planet :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DramaPolKa replied on Mon Sep 29, 2008 @ 6:32pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HamishTheMack replied on Tue Sep 30, 2008 @ 8:05pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Sep 30, 2008 @ 9:26pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HamishTheMack replied on Wed Oct 1, 2008 @ 12:52am |
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