Any Vinyl Junkies Out There Rocking Ortofon Nightclubs?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MattWood replied on Fri Sep 12, 2008 @ 10:19pm |
 Coolness: 40105 | I'm looking to do an experiment under controlled conditions to compare a variety of different carts against each other and against digital formats (CD and straight wav files) and I'd like to get my hands on a pair of nightclubs to test them. Please hit me up at w.matthew.wood AT [ gmail.com ]
If I can get this done, I will post up spectrographs of each test to contrast and compare. Many thanks. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Sat Sep 13, 2008 @ 12:04am |
 Coolness: 141410 | quite intresting! im curious to see the results! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Mon Sep 15, 2008 @ 11:45am |
 Coolness: 93825 | NightClubs are great needles and Orto is undoubtebly one of the best stylus manufacturors on the market, however, those needles are on the "eater" list, in other words, they eat vinyl.
Personally, I think the best sound and highest durability has to be without a doubt the sure mp44-7 Ufot-take that needle and scratch yo shit!~ |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Fri Sep 19, 2008 @ 10:49am |
 Coolness: 87230 | yes they do indeed eat vinyl
great needles though - but hear dis - I had 3 1200s, using ortofon nightclub styli for about 3 years straight - when i started over 8 years ago, my turntablist friend warned me that they would screw up my tonearms - i didn`t believe him. but sure enough, over the years they cartridge pushed back the contacts points inside the tonearms, so eventually, they werent making full contact with carts, no matter what kind i use. so i had to replace all 3 tonearms to the tune of 60 bucks each. pain in the ass. apparently the newer kind of ortofon niteclubs dont do that. shure is also good for tracking and not skipping when you do backspins, scratch etc - but once again gotta watch it doesnt eat up your vinyl |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Fri Sep 19, 2008 @ 11:10am |
 Coolness: 76395 | I've been using Orotofons for 10+ years. Only recently had any problems with the contacts in the tone-arm, and was able to fix that on my own. I was told that it's generally not a matter of the contacts getting pushed in - but build up on the contact points. Q-tip with some alcohol on it didn't quite do the trick, so I had to do a little light scraping with a pin. They work great now.
As for eating vinyl... any stylus will do that if you crank up the weight too high... and a lot of people simply don't bother to properly calibrate/set up their gear. I cringe when I see people that have the weights flipped around backwards on their home set-ups... check the specs, balance the tone-arm and set the weight near the minimum recommended amount, and you should have no problems. Well... you'll initially find that things bounce a bit when you're cueing, but eventually you'll get used to it and develop a lighter touch. ...and when I played with Mark N. a couple of weeks ago - he travels with his own set of Ortofons and swears by them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Luna-1 replied on Fri Sep 19, 2008 @ 11:28am |
 Coolness: 119225 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
...and when I played with Mark N. a couple of weeks ago - he travels with his own set of Ortofons and swears by them. mark N is crazy turntablismcore ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Fri Sep 19, 2008 @ 11:36am |
| Coolness: 87230 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
I've been using Orotofons for 10+ years. Only recently had any problems with the contacts in the tone-arm, and was able to fix that on my own. I was told that it's generally not a matter of the contacts getting pushed in - but build up on the contact points. Q-tip with some alcohol on it didn't quite do the trick, so I had to do a little light scraping with a pin. They work great now. i shoulda tried that - they did seem to have buildup - i kept using one with the ortofon and didnt screw it on as tight - havent had problems with it ironic that i see this post about niteclubs this morning. just a couple hours ago i was only using one deck cuz my niteclub stylus finally gave out after much use. thought i`d have to go to moog this weekend and get a new one. i just found a an ortofon case deep down in a box of random stuff, with a fully functional spare stylus in it!! woooooooooooo! might actually get around to doing a mix this weekend |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Choda_Bean replied on Fri Sep 19, 2008 @ 11:20pm |
 Coolness: 220695 | lets record a hip hop mix mang! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ONE.LAB.RAT replied on Sat Sep 20, 2008 @ 3:38am |
 Coolness: 76980 | sure mp44-7 work fine for me |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Choda_Bean replied on Sat Sep 20, 2008 @ 3:50am |
| Coolness: 220695 | used to be blue shures when i was growing up, but then i got sum mp44-7's myself...
im also using some "white lable" shures, that i got with my numark ttx1's....but i havent bought stylus for either in years... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Sat Sep 20, 2008 @ 4:25am |
| Coolness: 87230 | Originally Posted By DJ_DIALECT
lets record a hip hop mix mang! ya man! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Sun Sep 21, 2008 @ 11:17am |
 Coolness: 472530 | i wanna jam it out dirty south with anyone up for it sometime ...Inyourface ??!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Sun Sep 21, 2008 @ 9:01pm |
| Coolness: 141410 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
a lot of people simply don't bother to properly calibrate/set up their gear. I cringe when I see people that have the weights flipped around backwards on their home set-ups... check the specs, balance the tone-arm and set the weight near the minimum recommended amount, and you should have no problems. AMEN!!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Mon Sep 22, 2008 @ 3:30pm |
| Coolness: 93825 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
As for eating vinyl... any stylus will do that if you crank up the weight too high... and a lot of people simply don't bother to properly calibrate/set up their gear. I cringe when I see people that have the weights flipped around backwards on their home set-ups... check the specs, balance the tone-arm and set the weight near the minimum recommended amount, and you should have no problems. Well... you'll initially find that things bounce a bit when you're cueing, but eventually you'll get used to it and develop a lighter touch. Honnestly, flipping weights on tone arms, as long as they are techs, do not damage your recs any more than regular setting or suggested, look at weight balance difference, its barely anything, you can`t tell me that it damages tone arms or records, further more, steep angle cut styluses like ortos cause way more wax damage than slope vees like the mp 44-7s, so in that sense, dipping down the counter weight will make a difference, but in general its the stylus that causes that different to be damaging. Flipping the weights allows a greater tracking control, less bouncing and solid grove locks... if people have been doing it for about 30 years on roughly the same kind of equipment, chances are that they did it cause it worked and still works. Ufot-sometimes to understand the problem, questions arent enough |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Mon Sep 22, 2008 @ 4:04pm |
 Coolness: 84600 | fuck i need new needles...
totally lost a set m-44's at a gig recently. =( i always thought flipping the weight was just gave you more weight? just for the record... m-44's are probably the most record damaging needles that sure makes. they are loud as fuck, hardly skip, and built like tanks... all that usually comes at a cost. i'm thinking about maybe getting the q-bert ortophones next or maybe some white lables? anyone try them? also... @ fishman... instead of q-tips and scratching your contacts with pins. get your self a good ol fashioned h.b. pencil. the eraser on the end fits perfect and works wonders. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Mon Sep 22, 2008 @ 4:12pm |
| Coolness: 87230 | Originally Posted By MURDOCK_ROCK
instead of q-tips and scratching your contacts with pins. get your self a good ol fashioned h.b. pencil. the eraser on the end fits perfect and works wonders. interesting |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Tue Sep 23, 2008 @ 2:25am |
| Coolness: 76395 | Originally Posted By UFOT
Honnestly, flipping weights on tone arms, as long as they are techs, do not damage your recs any more than regular setting or suggested, look at weight balance difference, its barely anything, you can`t tell me that it damages tone arms or records, further more, steep angle cut styluses like ortos cause way more wax damage than slope vees like the mp 44-7s, so in that sense, dipping down the counter weight will make a difference, but in general its the stylus that causes that different to be damaging. Flipping the weights allows a greater tracking control, less bouncing and solid grove locks... if people have been doing it for about 30 years on roughly the same kind of equipment, chances are that they did it cause it worked and still works. I certainly won't claim that flipping the weight around damages tone-arms, but it doesn't allow you to accurately measure the tracking force you're using, whereas a properly balanced tone-arm (with the weight set up properly) will allow you to calibrate the weight down to fractions of a gram (and similarly - it allows you to properly adjust the antiskate)... once you flip the weight around - all bets are off... at least with a penny taped to the headshell you can still measure the weight you're putting on the needle. ...well... I've been not-flipping-the-weight around for nearly 20 years... and the handful of records I've got that skip are due to negligent handling - or debris lodged in the grooves from playing in too many dodgy old warehouses. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Tue Sep 30, 2008 @ 10:32pm |
| Coolness: 141410 | i dont quite see how flipping the weight around can help in any way... someone care to explain this to me? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Tue Sep 30, 2008 @ 11:53pm |
| Coolness: 84600 | the weight is fatter at the back... so if you flip it around and push it all the way to the front it puts more weight on the needle than was originally intended.
it can be handy trick if you don't have enough weight already on your headshell. personally i just use the extra weights that come with m-447's and that has done me pretty well. i find it also helps to just leave you needles on the platter for a night or two when you first buy them to break em in a little. one little weight trick i do find handy though is to take off the little rubber thingie from the weight and put it around your power switch. doesn't really matter much if you got your decks set up in battle mode (sideways) or have mk3d's (power switch is recessed), but if you got mk2's set up straight and like to ride the platter, yer bound to turn your deck off now and then when you are speeding up a tune. that little rubber thingie is a god sent. on that note... anybody ever take the little clicky ball out of the pitch on there mk2's? is it worth it? is it an easy operation? and can it permanently fuck up the calibration of your pitch at all? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Wed Oct 1, 2008 @ 12:43pm |
 Coolness: 69030 | I had ortophones and always had to flip the weight on my tonearm i think it was the nightclubs i still have them they r back up needles in case of a break in my sure needles.
I got a great deal with the sure white label needles, they came in a metal case with a small brush, tiny scewdriver and cartridge....I find that the sure's work alot better than the ortophones and i don't have to flip the weight...There is also and explaination of how to set the cartridge onto the tonearm and put the weight to right place......But that is me!!! |
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