Tips, Pourboire 15% Ou Moins?!?!!?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Agaguk replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 4:16pm |
 Coolness: 58120 | beer bottles and lollipops |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 4:25pm |
 Coolness: 159485 | beer bottles, now that's hardcore. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 4:44pm |
 Coolness: 686305 | Originally Posted By MELOODIE
Yes it is MANDITORY Fred ,it's just here in quebec we don't put *the service* on the bill,cuz we think people can give a lil more a lil less.In some resto they just put it on the bill,we should all do that.We are pay LESS than anyone cuz you are suppose YOu as customer to give the balance .Hot service you tip well 15% and more.less you give a lil less that's it? what is it so complicated with you people.Fred seriously ,you think we should all put the 15% on the billz now? so the mandatory will look better this way than when it's us who have to told the customer,TRUE.But still like quickstah said,THE SERVICE IS NEVER INCLUDE.Free or not.Expensive drinks or not. No, the tip is not MANDITORY, it is CUSTOMARY [ en.wikipedia.org ] , just like Christmas or Easter; most people do it out of tradition, but it is NOT something that is legaly enforced in ANY way. And you want to know where the service fee gets payed? It's called YOUR PAYCHEQUE! Or do you work for absolutely NO money, and 100% of your earnings are from tips? Because THAT is illegal. Making and bringing drinks to people IS YOUR JOB, you should DO it, quickly and efficiantly, EVERY time, and MAYBE people would feel that getting service so fast and from someone so nice and friendly means they deserve a tip. But the "Well, it's a tough job and I don't make much money, so I'll only do my job properly if people give me extra money" is absolutely bullshit, and that is EXACTLY the attitude that I wouldn't tip. Like I said before, which you seem to have completely ignored; TRY that shit at any other job. I DARE YOU to tell your boss as a secretary that you didn't print out the documents he needs for an important meeting yet, because "well, you didn't give me a tip for doing every single task _my job_ entails, so I'm not going to bring you your shit on time." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 4:50pm |
 Coolness: 249290 | it'S mandatory HERE IN QUEBEC.Esti what wouldn't you understand? you are not stupid.Around the world they have other practice,but here it's the way it work since : le gouvernement charest imposed us to declare 8% of the sales
As for the *paycheck* 1 bar on 3 doesn't give you anything *BUT THE TIP*.How much do you think i get paid to work at saphir? nothing! but what the customer gave me.Or at Vinyl it was 25$ for the night + tips.On the cavalier Maxim,i don't complain as much cuz like you say i got a paycheck.And they put the TIP FOR SERVICE ON THE BILLZ already .ANd No it's not illegal at all.So i care a bit less.But 3/4 of the bar doesn't give you a pay check.We can see you had never work in the bar scene to talk like you talk Screwhead.So no if the customer doesn't tip me and i have to pay 4% by sales to pay the bussboy you are sure if you don't tip me i won't serve you anymore.That's how it works ,you don't like it? just don't go out. Merci Bonsoir. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 4:57pm |
| Coolness: 686305 | You should maybe learn the laws regarding your pay then, and give this a read: [ 9to5ers.ultracrepidate.com ]
Tipping is NOT manditory, and if you get less than 8% of a tip from all your sales, your BOSS has to pay you *EXTRA* (as in, on top of your MANDITORY PAY if you're working for an establishment) for it to come up to the 8% you will get taxed on. Oh, and I spent 3 years working in a Brasserie from 99 to 01, and I can honestly tell you that I got all of TWO tips in my entire time working there; once I was give 5$ 'cause the guy had no change, and once I was give a 20$ bill from someone who was drunk and almost forgot his wallet on the table. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 5:04pm |
| Coolness: 249290 | Dans la restauration, ou le salaire minimum est inférieur à ce qu'il est dans les autres domaines, les pourboires doivent être considérés comme obligatoires. Ils constituent des revenus aux yeux du gouvernement et sont par le fait même imposables. Les serveurs doivent déclarer un minimum de 8 % de revenus de pourboires sur les ventes des repas et des boissons qu'ils apportent aux clients. «Quand vous omettez de laisser un pourboire au restaurant, le serveur se trouve à payer pour vous servir. Câest ahurissant!» s'exclame Denise Bisson.
Par ailleurs, quand un employé omet de vous remettre la monnaie, se gratifiant ainsi lui-même d'un pourboire, nhésitez pas la lui demander.Et«Dites-lui poliment: "Vous avez oublié de compléter ma facture" et ne parlez pas d'argent», conseille la spécialiste. Au restaurant et au bar Restaurant de milieu ou haut de gamme: 15 % de la facture avant les taxes. Restaurant de type familial, buffet ou brunch: 10 % de la facture avant les taxes. Restaurant «Apportez votre vin»: ajoutez au pourboire 2 $ par bouteille ouverte. Restaurant de type comptoir: aucun pourboire. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» xbsd replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 5:12pm |
 Coolness: 77460 | melo par curiosité, une grosse soirée payante ou que t'es tout le temps dans le rush ca te donne combien de tip net a peu pres ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 5:27pm |
| Coolness: 686305 | Originally Posted By MELOODIE
Dans la restauration, ou le salaire minimum est inférieur à ce qu'il est dans les autres domaines, les pourboires doivent être considérés comme obligatoires. Ils constituent des revenus aux yeux du gouvernement et sont par le fait même imposables. Les serveurs doivent déclarer un minimum de 8 % de revenus de pourboires sur les ventes des repas et des boissons qu'ils apportent aux clients. «Quand vous omettez de laisser un pourboire au restaurant, le serveur se trouve à payer pour vous servir. Câest ahurissant!» s'exclame Denise Bisson. Like I said, you need to read up on the laws of things. The links to the ACTUAL GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS are at the bottom of the link I posted in the last message. Here they are again, since you don't seem to want to actually know what you're talking about: [ www.revenu.gouv.qc.ca ] [ www.revenu.gouv.qc.ca ] [ www.revenu.gouv.qc.ca ] If you actually take the time to read and understand what it says, tips are NOT MANDITORY. What IS manditory, is that if you've made less than 8% of your TOTAL SALES back in tips, then YOUR BOSS/EMPLOYER is supposed to fill in the difference to make it that you've made an EXTRA 8% ON TOP OF YOUR SALARY. If you're working somewhere without a salary, well that's just your fault for being fucking stupid, because a SALARY is manditory for working somewhere. If you're not getting a salary, then the only possible options are that 1: you are working on commision, and are given a % of your sales BY YOUR BOSS in the form of a paycheque 2: you are working as a contracted employee, and then YOU tell the 'boss' of the place where you are working how much YOU charge per hour or per day for your services. ANYTHING ELSE is illegal, and if you're working somewhere for NO PAY, only tips, then not only are you fucking stupid, but you're actually working illegaly; the place is obviously not listing you as an employee, which means that THEY aren't paying the 8% tax that the government requires, so YOU'RE getting fucked out of money by THEM, since you're declaring the money you make from tips in an establishment that doesn't provide you with a paycheque. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 5:28pm |
 Coolness: 2749630 | Melo: I think that you quoted an article written by someone and is the guys opinion. Please read below on Quebecs Governmental Website (Commission Des Normes De Travaille) which has the proper information.
[ www.cnt.gouv.qc.ca ] For more information about anything that is work related here is the Home Page: [ www.cnt.gouv.qc.ca ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 5:32pm |
| Coolness: 249290 | moi je fais pas mal pcq je suis une bonne barmaid.Je donne pleins de free shots.Je m'arrange pour faire des mega deal sur les shooters .Chuis comme le marché-aux-puces de l'alcool.Mes amis viennent et savent qui vont en avoir pour leur argent ya know.J'ai ma clientèle stable,on s'amuse tous c'est ca l'important.Pas *combien je fais*.Si je fais pas mal,c'est pcq je travaille fort pour.Pis de la a te dire combien,comme Tamala a déja dit c'est impoli de demander aux gens leur salaire:P
barmaid = PR job.Tu l'as ou tu l'as pas. by the way je parle pas face a tout le monde,pas de mon cas personnel.Moi je m'en tire très bien mais c'est pas le cas de tous les gens dans la restauration.On dirait vous me faites un procès.Je pense pas j'aurais été nominer 2 ans de suite dans le mirror comme best barmaid a montreal si je serais si désagréable,you knowww:P OH and Screwhead? who's stupid me? who have more tip than my pay at saphir?I work the double on the legal job with a base salary and would never have as much as i could do working Illegally.I smoke weed illegaly [ too.Ca ] jail jesus. And Don't call me stupid again cuz i'll fucking broke you neck . Update » MelooDie wrote on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 5:42pm L'employeur qui perçoit le pourboire doit le remettre entièrement au salarié qui a rendu le service. Le pourboire comprend les frais de service portés la note du client, mais pas les frais d'administration qui s'y ajoutent.
that's from your site Noah. LIke i said,we can Put it on your note,but we don't..Would you guyz prefer higher price including the service? cuz it would change really nothing since,if you are short a penny this time,it will be on your note.Think about it |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:14pm |
| Coolness: 2749630 | I'd rather 8% be added to my invoice... I like the European way of this is what you pay and that's all you pay. Nothing more, nothing less... My 3.00$ beer will become 3.24$. This is what a tip should be but people get offended when they get the right amount and not 8x more. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:17pm |
| Coolness: 249290 | it's like that on the boat half the time,because of the contract.And i got the *tip* in my paid instead .It's ok.I doN,t mind one or another is fine.If i don't have to pay to serve you ,Me is really happy.Start a petition Noah and send it to the government:P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:19pm |
| Coolness: 2749630 | With the European way you can also get commissions on every drink you sell which is paid from the owner as a bonus. Since everything is included... No need to start a petition, more then half the world already works that way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:20pm |
| Coolness: 686305 | And Don't call me stupid again cuz i'll fucking broke you neck .
And here you are, bitching about getting more money than what your salary is SUPPOSED to be. Like I said, try that shit at ANY OTHER JOB, and you would get FIRED. You don't even know the "laws" about tipping which you seem to pretend to be such an expert on, and I'm sorry but talking about something you know nothing about and pretending you're an EXPERT on it IS STUPID. So, yes, I fucking DARE you to come and break my neck if I ever see you. Fucking TRY, and your pretty face won't ever get you another fucking tip for the rest of your life. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:24pm |
| Coolness: 249290 | that's a good way.Seriously,i really don't like the restauration system at this moment.The customer get fucked,the employee too.Only the big boss do the money.When you get bonus on what you sell,better you are more you earn. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:27pm |
| Coolness: 686305 | Originally Posted By MELOODIE
When you get bonus on what you sell,better you are more you earn. And THAT is the way it works, and THAT is what I don't have a problem with. Good service, friendly waitress, whatever, I'll gladly tip. But if it takes me 10 minutes to get a drink at a bar, when there are clearly people coming after me getting served first, the waitress/bartender ain't getting SHIT, because I wasn't served properly and in a timely manner. But the whole "Well, it's a hard job, you MUST tip me no matter what I do" attitude is what doesn't fly. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 159485 | Alright WTF is up in the air today?
Melo, tu sais que j'te tip tjrs bien mais j'te dis la même chose qu'à Skillsaw, si tu deal pu ben avec les assholes, change de job? C'est sûr que servir des gens comme job, y'a pas vraiment moins régulier. Si vous voulez plus de stabilité d'emploi, y'a ben d'autres jobs. Chill peepz. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:38pm |
| Coolness: 249290 | Noah that's a good way.Seriously,i really don't like the restauration system at this moment.The customer get fucked,the employee too.Only the big boss do the money.When you get bonus on what you sell,better you are more you earn.
and what is your fucking problem screwhead.you are attacking me cuz you got problems with other bartender before or restaurant.I never said anything wrong to you.What i know is it's been 2 years i'm paying taxes crazy and you are insulting me cuz i work illegally.At least i can pay my taxes that way.I like my job,not everyday like everyone.You don't want to tip ,fine.But I'm not *all the waitress and all the bartender of the wor;d.If you get any frustration in your own life ,stop sharing it with people who never did nothing to you.Are you working? no ,so wtf ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.I'm working hard and i do good money.If i have problems with my costumer sometimes i just don't serv them and they don't c0me back.We live in qc ,and it's not because everything is not writting that you can act like an asshole and don't tip and get the bartender or waiter pay to serve you,it's not correct.As for me ,i always get really good tip,i'M not complaining on my personal view.I'm just telling people that the tip you give to the bartender is separate with the bussboy and the taxes .If you don't feel great in your life, bashing on other people cuz they have another opinion than yours is fucking lame.What is your problem? if you need to fight ,find someone else.I don't need negativity in my life et Masa . JE l'aime ma job,je peux danser boire et m'amuser .Le 3/4 du temps.Moi j'en fais d el'argent,Je surdose l'alcool,j'essaye de faire les meilleurs prix que jpeux tu le sais.Des fois même tu me chiales apres pcq tu trouves mes drinks trop forts.et moi je tippe bien et jai toujours un bon service étrangement.C'est drôle que tout le monde qui tippent mal se font servir en dernier .Heh.Apres ca y chialent .LOL |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:44pm |
| Coolness: 159485 | Bah moi j'ai jamais de probs dans les bars, probablement justement paske je tip bien :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sun Sep 14, 2008 @ 6:46pm |
| Coolness: 249290 | moi aussi.quand je reviens dans les restos ,le serveur est content de me voir revenir.C'est un principe.Mais tsé les principes c'est pas donner a tous |
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