Djm-500 Ripoff At Quarter Of The Price
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 5:20pm |
 Coolness: 340360 | very well..
warm = hiss / hum |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 5:34pm |
 Coolness: 686285 | Not if the equipment is properly made.
Warm = harmonics that are out of range of the digital spectrum that give the music more life and a richer, more lush sound. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 5:42pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | *rolls eyes* ok.............. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 5:51pm |
| Coolness: 686285 | *not going to get into this again*
Read up on analog sound procesing. Any engineer who knows anything about audio knows what I'm talking about. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 5:53pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | *talks to my dad*
(he's an audio engineer, with a ph.D in speech analysis and communication) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 5:58pm |
| Coolness: 686285 | Then if he knows anything, he will know about about analog gear adding harmonics that are out of the spectrum of digital that enhance sound in subtle ways.
Amp manufacturers have gone as far as to analyze people's brain activity playing the same music through digital and analog systems, in random changes of equipment, and the ones that "just sound better" were always the analog. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:04pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | hehe, if he knows anything..
i have asked him this question, and he's told me that if the sample rate is high enough, digital is better because it is more accurate. if you think about what you just said tho you'll realize that you just pointed out the main flaw with analog.. it adds things to the sound.. if you want it to have those extra things in the recording the creator should include it in the recording, not depend on it being added in by someone else's equipment.. accurate reproduction is what good sound is all about. saying that something sounds warmer because it's analog is basically just saying that it sounds better because it was changed from what it originally was. digital is accurate, if you want it to sound different, put it through a filter.. don't just say "lets use analog so it sound warmer".. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:16pm |
 Coolness: 201920 | I'd have to disagree with neoform on one point...
Often the stuff added sounds very nice.. Like if you bounce something off reel tape.. The tape has a compression-like effect that you can't emulate perfectly with digital equipment (although there are some effects emulate it ok) Also with distortion, nothing beats the real deal. Sometimes you don't want control in that case, you want unpredictability. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:21pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | well sure, while in the recording process knock yerself out with various analog filters..
but using something like a beringer mixer cause it's got an analog eq is just going to change the signal and make it less accurate.. same deal with using vinyl.. it wasn't made with those extras, why would you want them there? IF you do like that analog sound, then make sure to make the song/track WITH that sound already in it.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:28pm |
| Coolness: 201920 | why.. because analog eq's would respond differently, some people might prefer that. Also accurate doesn't sound better. That's why studio monitors sound so flat and lifeless, because they are dead on accurate and not made to "sound" really pleasing to the ears.. Thats what consumer systems are for. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | heh, if it sound flat in the studio, then the creator didn't do a good job. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:34pm |
| Coolness: 686285 | 1 reason
It's all I have time to find right now, 'cause I gotta get going, but it gives you a good starting point as to what to look up. It's not a "professional" site, but it outlines the reasons in laymans terms and is a good stepping stone. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:34pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | i've got a turntable with a fucked needle/cartridge, it plays alright, but puts off a terrible subsonic wooble that causes my speakers to jolt back and forth.. i can't hear it, but it doesn't make it sound any better either..
the same goes for these high frequencies.. the producers don't control these sounds because they cannot hear them, so in effect it's just noise that we can't hear.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:40pm |
| Coolness: 201920 | neoform: you have never used studio monitors before then...
They make everything sound flat. Its supposed to be a neutral representation of the sound. It doesn't make the music sound bad, but they are not as pleasing to the ears as a good consumer system. Otherwise everyone would be using atudio monitors to listen to music. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 6:51pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | heh.
if anything the sounds should sound it's best on the stdio monitors you are using.. otherwise you're not hearing all the sound you're working with.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Fri Mar 14, 2003 @ 7:30pm |
 Coolness: 300020 | studio monitors are flat so that what you hear is what you get. but consumer sound systems have different sounds and thats why you cannot afford to have a non-flat monitor in a studio. because what you hear when you produce on a consumer sound system will differ from a sound system to another, and most of the time it is not in a good way (ie, too much bass, etc..) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Tue Mar 18, 2003 @ 12:55pm |
 Coolness: 51665 | i find that pionneer is overpriced garbage. the eq sweep on their mixers is way too much, i prefer a kill switch on the frequencies if i really need to clip them....plus the sweep isnt even. at 12 o clock on the pionneer , thats supposed to be 0db, so when you eq down from zero you have a way wider range that youre spanning than when you eq up from zero....a wider range to span means less accuracy....behringer makes some quality gear at affordable prices and the components are solid too. pionneer faders wear out real quick, get crackly and whatnot...and theyre too expensive when you need to replace them.. to each his own though, i guess..... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Mar 18, 2003 @ 1:54pm |
| Coolness: 340360 | uhh that's cause it's -26dB at the bottom, 0dB at 12mid and +12dB at top.. so it's not supposed to be linear like that..
eitherway, the djm500 is excellent for mixing stuff like trance.. in my oppinion. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Tue Mar 18, 2003 @ 1:55pm |
 Coolness: 222460 | whatever.. the pioneer one still looks more "stable" and less cheap. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nter replied on Tue Apr 15, 2003 @ 8:19am |
 Coolness: 93190 | if you care so much about sound quality
why do you spin mp3s? |
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