Paying The Dj
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 1:21pm |
 Coolness: 68980 | it all comes down to personal taste as well to each their own...But shareing ideas here is good too..I've got a couple ideas thanks to a couple of posts... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 1:59pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 3:57pm |
 Coolness: 167220 | First off, we're talking money, so let's get one thing straight: We are not capitalists. That said...
Alot of DJs in MTL are underpaid, most of the time. I got well paid working for certain promoters, (Jester prod., the Kinetik crew, BettyHaze) but those gigs are few and far between. Most of the time, i have to beg for busfare (yes, i take the bus to and from gigs - sometimes even my bike) and i feel like a twat asking the promoter for a beer, or a bottle of water, which they sometimes get with overwhelming reluctance. If the party is free, i ask for nothing, other than that i try to be consistent with the number of headliners appearing (if you have $ for them, you have $ for me), the number of people the venue holds, and the price at the door. I have lost plenty of money at certain events, and paid EVERYONE nonetheless. So when a promoter gives me a sob story, like boohoo-we didn't make enough cash -- too fuckin' bad. Of course, I'm too nice and too generous, and I have the same problem most DJs do, I just want to play out, so we accept plenty of gigs w/out any fixed payment, and then get fucked over. *The promotional flipside to this is that if we insist on getting paid a decent amount (say 60$) for a rave, then suddenly we aren't booked as often, suddenly we're hypocrites "just doin' it for the money"...wtf? The other issue: A DJ should get paid no matter how few people they bring. New DJs need encouragemnt, and new records. On the other hand, if a DJ isn't good enough to get paid, HE SHOULD NOT BE HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE. That might actually get rid of some shitheads out there...The promoter picks the DJs, so why hire a guy that you know isn';t going to bring anyone? Maybe 'cause he's good, in which case he should get paid for his talent and service. Mainly, however, a DJ cannot possibly know how many peops he brings to an event. I don't know. (i say the following with humility:P ) I know that there alot of people out there that are aware of me, and that seem to like what i do, but if the promoter delves out 100 flyers, doesn't start on thread on this site etc.. how is my name supposed to bring fans to the party if they aren't aware of it's existence? I can't call up all my friends and expect them to show up at everysingle gig, and do the promoter's job. Plus, it's a bad idea to give a DJ that much self-importance :P Many good points have been made so far, so watch out promoters, the DJs are fighting back! We need new records! I work hard for each and every gig, i even make tracks just for the party, is all that really worth only 10$? Pay to play is over... btw, someones said that nice guys finish last...the problem is that they aren't even in the fuckin' race... ScottyP makes the best point: Without DJs there's no music, without music there's no party. So think twice before treating your DJs like disposable tampons...and shit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Rakoon replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 4:05pm |
 Coolness: 176115 | Payer un Dj parce que ça lui coute cher de vinyls et d'équipement
ça me fait penser à un gars qui te demande 30$ parce que tu l'as vu faire des donuts avec son char neuf de 30 000$ ... :P Selon moi, Faut payer un Dj pour ses services, point. Même un Dj local. Question d'engagement, alors c'est comme une récompense, un remerciment |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 4:14pm |
| Coolness: 167220 | obviously...but i'm certain that every single job the world takes equipment costs into consideration when charging the fee for services rendered; paying for the tools of the trade an' all that...gotta stay fresh and up-to-date if you wanna stay competitive and keep your job...this is the really real world... .. . |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 4:25pm |
| Coolness: 68980 | NA valid great description .
we hire these dj's knowing their skills/musical talent and ability to bring a crowd if promotion is done right.....And sometimes just a name brings a crowd....so i agree no dj no music no party....And should be paid accordingly!!! because everything us dj's do cost money...Music Transport ect..... |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 6:27pm |
 Coolness: 159795 | Regarding that " DJ not bringing enough people to the party " thing.
Let's say, you throw a party on the 19th of december. You have 5 high profile DJs on your flyer and you sell a shitload of tickets in presale and have sufficient funds to get the party going and all. Plus extra. All is well, promo is good and EVERYONE on here makes the " Attending " list. 300 tickets were sold and 200 or so are expected to show up at the door. Let's also say that on december 18 at 5 am, snow starts falling REAL HARD, so much so that by 4 PM on the 19th, there is 4 feet of snow outside and your party is held on a street that snow removal won't be in effect until 2 days later, is far from a metro station and, obviously, the bus service has been cancelled temporarily. Party happens but total attendance is 63. Including staff. Can you still blame the DJs for not bringing enough people in and proceed to refuse to pay them or pay them a really minimal amount even though they played the full 2 hours they were hired for ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 7:18pm |
 Coolness: 2749315 | I'm not saying if you are booked that you should not get paid... I'm saying that I would not book a DJ who does not bring people unless I wanted them to spin in which case I have no problems paying them if that is the agreement... You're only worth to me what you bring, and if you can't bring people then you don't get booked and you don't get paid... Simple...
If I say I will pay someone I will... But I will not book someone who I think would not bring people. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Intoccabile replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 7:29pm |
 Coolness: 65525 | Bringing people to the event...
Is it the promoter's sole responsibility ? Or is this responsibility, ideally, shared with the dj's / vj's / whoever is performing ? That's a tough one. I would go with the first option. But even though it's the promoter's responsibility, I feel everyone involved should do what they can to promote the event in order to make it a successful one. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 7:49pm |
 Coolness: 201900 | It's the promoters sole responsibility! But one of the ways you do it is by booking acts that bring in people, and paying them. You also pay the people who, while not as popular, allow the party to last more than 2 hours, and if drink sales are involved, allow people to buy more drinks.
And on that subject, people should be paid with cash, not watered down drugs. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 7:52pm |
 Coolness: 93775 | Personally, from my experience as a promotor, bringing people to the event was my JOB, and if the dj`s I chose to book helped in the cause, then awesome, but that was not MY motivation for booking them, nor was I counting on their draw, as a promotor, our crew brought the people and big-up`d every dj to extreme hype, both those known and unknown...
In my opinnion, booking a dj based only on their draw power is a dangerous game, a game which has burned a lot of promoters and organizers... Ufot-my cents may be 2 little |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 8:07pm |
 Coolness: 153680 | wow, enfin! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 8:45pm |
 Coolness: 510235 | give me money! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 8:46pm |
 Coolness: 134945 | and blowjobs. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 8:48pm |
| Coolness: 510235 | strippers too!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 9:04pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 9:17pm |
 Coolness: 130395 | Personally I find it tough to predict exactly how many people will show up,
There are so many other factors that play into the turnout of a party, Location, price, reputation of the promotor, styles of music and at what time they're played, I've played events that were well promoted, got a good turnout and turned out to be smashes, On the other hand I've played other events when the turnouts been shit, In any case I've always gotten paid, Bottom line is, don't agree to an amount with the dj BEFORE the event and then penalise him AFTER he's showed up and performed. If you have a legitimate beef such as tardiness or the guys too fucked to play properly then yes you can maybe renegociate the sum... Aside from that you are LEGALLY bound to honor the amount you agreed upon before the event. |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» ONE.LAB.RAT replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 9:25pm |
 Coolness: 76815 | na win's-------his 1 of the only promoter that paid me in 5 year's of mixing in partys.
na never took of with the $$$ when i help him out. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 9:31pm |
| Coolness: 130395 | You see right there, thats good for a promoters reputation,
On the other hand not paying someone you booked, Thats bad publicity and bad for business |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 8, 2008 @ 9:33pm |
| Coolness: 159795 | I thought a PROMOTER was in charge of PROMOTING and a DJ was in charge of DJing ?
Have I been mistaken all along ? Am I a bad DJ if I don't coerce ALL my friends and their friends to show up at the party ? Will it be the DJs' fault for poor attendance if a promoter looses his venue at the last minute and has to change in extremis to another one ? Or if most flyers haven't been flyered properly ( dropped in manholes like I've seen people do countless times before ) ? Or if the party was announced 2 weeks prior to the party ? Or if it's held in Ste-Etienne-Des-Grands-Monts and is too far to reach without going through a lava river ? Just wondering. Heh. :) |
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