Originally Posted By BODKIN_VAN_HORN

I'm not encouraging physical violence towards other people...but people destroying STUFF makes me happy.

Originally Posted By BODKIN_VAN_HORN

I'm using the term "stuff" loosely...but I'm not some idiot that is condoning the recking of stuff just because. I think it's a way of expressing something allot deeper.

Read anything on the topic of property and law enforcement in relation to a society and you will find a number of differing views on there freeing or oppressive nature. I tend to lean on the side of it being oppressive so that's why I wrote what I wrote.

It's not JUST hooliganism or mindless to break a window or send a message to the police.

and if you want to come to my place to wreck shit or break things...well I don't have much for you to destroy really. but I would get over it and still have the same opinion on what I think people are doing to cop cars while celebrating in a huge crowd of like minded people.

Originally Posted By RAPID_FILTER

if there was no "political" motivation, why were no civilian cars torched?

but I tend to think that there is an underlying, if not political motivation in it. look at LA riots, or the smashing of The Gap and other corporate windows when it all just started to brew. people where called idiots and anti productive....but it was an firm indication of peoples emotions and need to express themselves and there frustrations.

Originally Posted By BODKIN_VAN_HORN

Just because the majority thinks this is right and we should always act in a "civilized" way doesn't mean there are others out there (that are maybe the minority with differing views) shouldn't be understood or considered because there views and methods are different.

Originally Posted By VERSION2MINUS1

How is violence a way to get a message across ? Do I have to bash my fist into your skull for you to understand that I don't particularly like you ?

Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP

but I tend to think that there is an underlying, if not political motivation in it. look at LA riots, or the smashing of The Gap and other corporate windows when it all just started to brew. people where called idiots and anti productive....but it was an firm indication of peoples emotions and need to express themselves and there frustrations.

We're all talking of this as if it was only one movement, however. It wasn't. There were those who celebrated the Habs. Those who used this celebration to get back at the cops (so far all documentation hints that people started throwing beer bottles at cops, which started the riot). There are those who brought blowtorches with the intent to destroy. And there were thieves. Many, many thieves. From the picture, all middle-class kids. Not expressing themselves; not being political. Selling stolen champagne on the street. Stealing shirts and shoes.

Though Dee almost brings in the fact that NIKE can be considered a political issue, it wasn't so last night. People didn't break in Foot Locker to get against the man; the broke in to get new shoes. Which they are most likely wearing right now.

Thieves taking the opportunity to steal while extremists torched cars, exploiting a celebration for their ends. Of course the cops had to show up. Of course they didn't think that all of the mass was one malignant, homogeneous group. However, when people start torching your means of transportation, you lift the billy club and try to stop as many as you can. THEN you sort them out.

Doesn't help that 90% of the people were drunk.

Originally Posted By DRGONZO

Originally Posted By Version2minus1
How is violence a way to get a message across ? Do I have to bash my fist into your skull for you to understand that I don't particularly like you ?

That's only to prove you really love me