Anonymous Versus Scientology
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed Feb 13, 2008 @ 9:19pm |
 Coolness: 151385 | I think I'm missing something, too. I have no idea of what exactly Sophia (nor you ^^) tried to say, but...
... I can say (again) that pointing fingers at religion for all the worlds (violent) problems is far from fair. I am sure we can all agree that violence has always been apart of human history, and that, certainly, religious groups have played their part in contributing to that, although, we cannot deny that other groups committed similar crimes in a proportional scale. Really, I have a hard time understanding how so many people can spend so much time and energy on hating on all religions, based only the fact of its' relatively violent history, meanwhile other atrocities go on without mention? If your beef is with Violence and Brain Washing, why don't we have more threads about what's going on in Darfur, or how cultures get squashed, etc.? I'm beginning to think that people shit on religion more for personal reasons (with the use of WEAK examples), to simply... I don't even know what. Don't get me wrong, I am not religious, but I do respect peoples points of view, and can understand --with out believing, necessarily-- in God, but one thing that turns me off is the constant insulting of people who believe in God and those who, cocksurely, and arrogantly, reject everything that relates to a higher power, or spirituality --which is something I find common in this forum. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Feb 13, 2008 @ 9:34pm |
 Coolness: 159160 | I'm not implying anything, Moondancer. I was simply stating that I might have misread. 0_O;
Anyway, as far as Anonymous' stance, their main problem is that they're all unknown people; some of them can be real fucktards. The main consensus seems to be this: Religion is free. Faith is not based on monetary value. The church may ask for donations and charity but cannot demand to put a value on faith and holy books. The moment a religion demands money, it becomes a business. The moment it is a business, it should lose both it's religious rights and the tax exemptions related to said business. Scientology, in the terms applied, is a business. Therefore, it should not claim to be a religion and should not be exempt of taxes and rights accorded to people of faith. At least, that's the best I understand of it. On the other end of the spectrum, the CoS has asked the American government to help and jail the people responsible for the DoS attacks. However, the problem is that 1) there were too many people doing it and 2) as seen from the number of people in protests on February 10th, the biggest parts of the movement seem to be from outside the US. The US already has enough to deal with in Iraq and related countries to start investigating. So nothing's been done. This is the news for now. Supposedly, something's coming up for tomorrow, as it is Valentine's Day. Their main goal at the moment seems to be the spread of information concerning victims of the CoS to the various other religions, so as to add them to their ranks. They also want to start deprogrammation sessions. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Feb 13, 2008 @ 10:31pm |
 Coolness: 146125 | i would like to know what happened to the church of scientology that was in montreal, they had a huge fucking real church where guy becomes cote de neiges sort of north of sherbroke, they demolished it out of no where one day and just built condo's, very strange...it was in like 2000 maybe 2001, it actually said first church of the scientologist or something on the front, this was ofcourse way before i knew what scientology was... someone should find out about it and what happened... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Feb 13, 2008 @ 10:42pm |
| Coolness: 159160 | They're on Papineau right now but have bought a big building downtown, which they plan to use in the upcoming years. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Adrianna replied on Wed Feb 13, 2008 @ 11:24pm |
 Coolness: 43855 | I'm so fucking happy the Canadian Government refuses to acknowledge scientology as a religion and I'm happy that other people realize that its an arnark |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 11:00am |
 Coolness: 179570 | ***Well, China has about 5 times the population of the US, and less than half the crime rate. Clearly they're doing SOMETHING right.***
Heard about Tibet yet? ;) The government wants to assimilate them. lots of Tibetans are disappearing, maybe put in camps or being killed. Or both. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 11:13am |
 Coolness: 295900 | Originally Posted By AERIAL_RAVER
***Well, China has about 5 times the population of the US, and less than half the crime rate. Clearly they're doing SOMETHING right.*** Heard about Tibet yet? ;) The government wants to assimilate them. lots of Tibetans are disappearing, maybe put in camps or being killed. Or both. Of course they shoot anyone for any crime... almost... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 11:28am |
 Coolness: 93190 | Yeah that's probably why the reported crime rate is so low! Ha. Anyway Tibet is only the tip of the iceberg, they've kidnapped and murdered plenty of people in their own country for being members of the Falun Gong and god knows what else. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 11:37am |
| Coolness: 295900 | smuggling any amount of heroine is punishable by the death penalty!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 12:16pm |
 Coolness: 686515 | Here's some more on things Scientology related, just to help get a message across.
[ xenu.net ] (the most amazing part of this one, that I've now confirmed and couldn't believe I never heard about before, is that Charles Manson took over 150 hours of Scientology training, and the left scientology because they were "too crazy". Think about that for a minute.) There's also Operation Snow White [ en.wikipedia.org ] and Operation Freakout [ en.wikipedia.org ] that I'll bet isn't something they want the public reminded of. And here's a documentary on scientology put out by the BBC (it's in 4 parts) Oh, but that's right, they're just "missunderstood" and not violent at ALL. They've NEVER threatened or intimidated anyone to shut the fuck up, let alone never killed anyone, right? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 7:38pm |
 Coolness: 93355 | I' check the video's later cause i like
to see what haters come up with! BASIDINi i dont think there was ever a church of scientology on cote des neiges the church has been on papineau since 1978 i think and before that it was on notre-dame! The only other scientology related place was the celebrety center located on st-denis in the eighties! As for CHARLES MANSON he read the dianetics book while in prison but obviously he didn't learn anything from it cause he later murdered polanski's wife but he never set a foot in a church of scientology! The fact is the church accepts anyone who wants to be part of it,so a lot of people think the church will do all the helping for them.A lot of people come to the church after taking drugs from psychiatres for many years! The reason for more lies and hate towards scientology comes from the fear of sp's that thrive on the pharmaceutical industrie will lose control on the mind control they have on the global population! The stupidest thing is the unauthaurised author of the tom cruise book who says tom used L. RON HUBBARDS sperm how nonsense is that for a religion who beleives in the spiritual enteties and reicarnation!!!The body is a mere tool!! There are so many beautiful actions done by scientologists Like Nancy Cartwright(the voice of bart simpson,chuckie in rugrats) has financed with her own money an organisation called happy house which distributed 60 million copies of the book THE WAY TO HAPPINESS (it's a non-religious moral code)and started a youth center in NORTHRIDGE,CALIFORNIA! Anyway read the dianetics book than attack it if you want but know what the hell your talking about instead on relying on non-sense on the internet be useful protest against war,poverty,bad radio s.u.v's,oil,poverty....peace(all of this just my personal opinion and in 34 years i'venever seen any scientologist be aggressive what so-ever! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 7:56pm |
| Coolness: 686515 | I think you should brush up on your FACTS, because Charles Manson spent about 150 hours and was registered as being a "Clear" level, and even owned his own E-meter to help him practice scientology and get new recruits.
But right, go ahead and deny facts. And if you'd watch the videos, you WOULD see a scientologist almost get violent and attack a BBC reported because he didn't like or want to answer questions about the "organisation" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 8:16pm |
| Coolness: 93355 | I will watch it,but Jean chretien punched
a protestor in the face and that dosen't represent the typical canadian! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 8:18pm |
| Coolness: 686515 | No, but a PR man for a "religion" on the other hand IS suposed to represent the whole "religion" and be the example that the public is supposed to sympathise with. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 9:28pm |
| Coolness: 159160 | Screwhead's got an irrefutable point here. Both about Mansion and the BBC reporter being attacked/harassed. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Thu Feb 14, 2008 @ 9:58pm |
| Coolness: 93355 | I have no sound on my computer so ill get back
on the reporter thing later! But as for manson well maybe he did go to the church but getting clear takes quite a lot of time so i doubt it!But the fact is he said he read the book in jail among other books. people just go to way back to try and discredit the church! There have been lots of undercovers infiltrating the church to create trouble! They even tried to stop the organisation after L RON HUBBARDS death saying that he had prescription drugs in his body! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Feb 15, 2008 @ 9:59am |
| Coolness: 93190 | Well it's important to distinguish between the individuals and the organisation and I don't see much of that going on here on either side. Anonymous refers to the individual believers as victims and is attacking the organisation. Whether they are actually victims or not is for themselves to decide. I think that one does not have to like or support the leadership to be a believer. If what I'm reading on that leadership is true well they deserve to be jailed and more if you ask me.
It's also equally important to distinguish what things are SUPPOSED to be and what they actually are. You can't make any points out of "supposed". "Supposed" can never have any logical weight. It's like saying "Since you lied about that now it must have come true". It just doesn't make any sense. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Fri Feb 15, 2008 @ 4:55pm |
| Coolness: 159160 | Voiceless, a loosely connected group of ex-scie... (more)
Added: February 04, 2008 Voiceless, a loosely connected group of ex-scientologists and others who have experienced the pain of Scientology's "Disconnection" policy, send a message of support to Anonymous. (less) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Mon Feb 18, 2008 @ 3:58pm |
 Coolness: 153930 | what if every human died, would "god" still exist if there isnt anyone to believe in him?
same thing as the tree falling alone in the forest. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Shindy replied on Mon Feb 18, 2008 @ 4:33pm |
 Coolness: 172765 | Wisebug la trouver la solution pour l'arbre qui tombe dans la foret: le son c'est des vibrations et sa prend l'oreille humaine (ou animal) pour transformer les vibrations en bruit, son, wtv. Donc, non,cela ne fait fait pas de son un arbre qui tombe dans la foret sans rien autour!!! sa fait juste des vibrations :D
Donc ya pas de dieu!!! c'est clair non :P |
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