Anonymous Versus Scientology
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Thu Jan 31, 2008 @ 10:49pm |
 Coolness: 94420 | I was hoping to see more fireworks by now. This war kinda sucks. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Mon Feb 4, 2008 @ 7:45pm |
 Coolness: 103690 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
yes, along with the freedom to worship any god or no god for that matter. Atheists and Agnostics would NOT need an amendment, bill, or law, in any constitution to protect a right of not worship. That so-called freedom to follow any or not at all any religion exist because it was founded on Judeo-Christian values. The founding Deists were apologetic enough to protect the non-believers. In a truly pragmatic secular society, no one need a law that protect their right of non-worship. People who believe in ordinary beliefs ( i.e. naturalism ) don't need that in a Nation's constitution, because it's the DEFAULT. We just need basic human rights. Freedom of religion is freedom to hate, to discriminate, to deceived, and you have the RIGHT to do so, not only because it's in the constitution of whatever Western Society, but also it is ordained by some fictional Supernatural power. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 2:54am |
 Coolness: 146125 | you know sometimes you post things and i have no idea what you are talking about... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 7:58am |
| Coolness: 103690 | 1. Scotty says blame the people who demand the right for Freedom of Religion for the antics of Scientology.
2. You say the people who demand the right for Freedom of Religion and ALSO the people who demand the right of no-worship. 3. I said people who are non-believers would NOT need a right of no-worship in the first place, because it's the default human right, so how would atheists and agnostics be indirectly responsible for the spawn of cults such as Scientology? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 12:12pm |
 Coolness: 202150 | I"m saying if you have freedom of religion you have to accept that religions like scientology would exist |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 12:24pm |
| Coolness: 103690 | Tom Cruise is the new Jesus. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 12:44pm |
 Coolness: 159160 | If you have freedom of religion, you're supposed to have freedom or leaving a religion. Scientology does not offer that. When they're forced to do so with a reluctant member, they usually employ brute force.
Anyhow, check things out next week. Anonymous is planning many things this month :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 5:10pm |
 Coolness: 93355 | Wow Anonymous is the real evil i'm pretty
much convinced that it's the f.b.i who are fronting that agencie,same thing goes to that idiot who wrote a book about Tom Cruise(L.HUBBARDS sperm c'mon). Dr Nyarlathotep have you ever met any scientologistes where comes your hate articles on the net ????? Members of the church of scientology are free to leave when they want to.They do call you back and can be pretty pesuasive but that's all no bodygards ! lol There are members of the sea org however!When you choose to be a member of the sea org you choose to be one for all your life!but you have a salary,a house,and a mission! Scientogistes are humanists we do beleive surpressive eneteties have invaded the planet long ago ! in the early-nineties during the(rodney king)riot made a human chain to protect stores,houses, there church from vandelism(not there property but there community!) Tom cruise comes out and talks about real issues prescription drugs,ritalin! I've been to L.A ON A RELIGIOUS CRUSADE IN 1987 i performed with the lady who does the voice of bart simpson alongside stevie wonder(hes not scientologists) but a great person who beleives in freedom of speach & religion Any way i sugest people atheists or not to concetrate there fight on bush,mega-corporations illuminaties(the real evil)pill companies,harper..ect I was born in the church and have been spied opun by the c.i.a because my father was the cheif supervisor of the church of scientology! You have the freedom to say whatever you want however giving a list of names & adresses is pure evil intention.i know most of everybody on the list and they are nice people So ya drop the hate and dr N if you you have any lies you want cleared up ask me ill tell you the real story! peace ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Anarkoid replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 5:16pm |
 Coolness: 193600 | Are Xenu and Rael related by any chance? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue Feb 5, 2008 @ 7:35pm |
| Coolness: 159160 | I'm sorry, I lost you at "I was spied on by the C.I.A".
I have a great uncle who was a Jehovah's witness. He was given a flyer to become a scientologist. I haven't seen him since. I never gave much crap about it; it's his choice. The only thing I know, from my cousins, is that it's much harder to stop being a scientologist than a Jehovah's witness (which in itself is no mean task). So you're telling me that all the victims, including the BBC journalist John Sweeney, are all CIA operatives? All part of some Illuminati? Lisa McPherson was a C.I.A agent killed in action, I suppose? Oh right; it's illuminati bullshit. I'll throw the same question at you: where do you get your data? The scientology stuff is well known, with victims, witnesses testimony as well as leaked documents. Show me valid proofs of the illuminati that does not mention phoney 9/11 theories and lizard people. As for names or addresses, sure. It's evil. I'm sure thousands of people on [ rave.ca ] are going to personally hurt these businesses, most of which are publicly showing themselves as scientologists. Better yet: this list comes from a very public domain website found on google, which has not been threatened by the CoS's "laws". Go ahead, search for the 2004 scientology report of known scientologists. I very much doubt anything will "threaten" them. Fuck, I have Islamic neighbors. They have traditional clothes. NOBODY HAS PIPE BOMBED THEM YET. Amazing, no? What's my grip on the cult? Well, I don't like any religions. However, when Jehovah's witnesses or mormons are insulted by whatever I might say, they don't try to stay above the laws of the country they are in (namely, censoring anti-sci comments on sites like youtube and breaking the freedom of speech). I'll be against everything that breaks principal freedoms. Another example of this goes with Isaac Hayes, who left South Park when they made fun of scientology. Forget the part where they (including himself) have made fun of every other religion. Now, I think some might really believe in Xenu or whatever. That's their (and your) choice and I'm nt even going to insult that. As you might see above, I'm attacking the actions of the so called Church. The people (Anonymous) behind this are using the same techniques used by the CoS against their "enemies"; the fair game. I think it's hilarious but I'd laugh as much if they struck any other invasive religion. Especially one that thinks less of people "stalled" in their belief and which thinks itself above the laws. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Wed Feb 6, 2008 @ 11:02am |
| Coolness: 93355 | The only thing I know, from my cousins, is that it's much harder to stop being a scientologist than a Jehovah's witness (which in itself is no mean task).
As i said before scientologists are free to do whatever they want! The only exeption is the sea org, and usually people choose that after really thinking about it! Members of the church of scientology are free to go to other churches and keep there former religious practises! It is based pretty much on ancient budaism! I don't know many people that are jehova's witness so i can't really judge your opinion. i've had discussions with some and seem to find them brainwashed and without personel judgement! There have been numerous tales of families that think of harsh clichés,thinking that there family have been brainwashed ..ect But maybe your cousins don't accept there father's choice maybe if they let it be there father would see them more often cause he's free to do what he wants! As of scientology not letting itself being bullied by pessimistic people and haters good for them.The church has attracted lawyers actors,peace activists that have found like-minded people and beleive in the kindness of the human spirit! After years of being harrassed by goverments,atheists,haters and people that have nothing better to do than attack what they don't understand. If the church has done bad things it's probably that they have no choice!It's just crazy that scientologists receive so much bad press,but i can understand the machine to be scared because having celebrities talking about real issues like psychiatrices prescribing ritalin like candies and treating children like goats with no spirit,not considering past lives...! Tom cruises risking his career talking against lisa marie presley book on how drugs saved her life! The church has various programs like narconon that help drug addicts get well!My mother is a volentary member and helps plenty of people solve there or there loved ones problems! They have there own school system that non-scientologists have used because they like the positive energy that it"s bringing to there kids! Me myself use the tech i've learnt through scientology but i don't feel the need to participate in the church anymore but please its not because you don't understand it that you have to attack it,keep your energie for real evil people cause with whats coming we will need the most unaffected humans possible! PS:It's not evil to post peoples names & buisnesses but what's your point!Do you honestly think that if you go to my good frend francine savarias health boutique she's gonna ask you 'do you wan't your scientology membership with your calcium-magnesium! Feel free to ask any questions you have on scientology and i will clear up your misunderstandings DR ! PEACE |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Sun Feb 10, 2008 @ 5:04pm |
| Coolness: 159160 | "If the church has done bad things it's probably that they
have no choice!" There's always a choice. For any religion or group to proclaim itself as benevolent, no "evil" deeds should be committed. Hurting people that speak against your group is far from being benevolent. To the risk of further infuriating our resident scientologist, I'd like to post some pictures from various Anonymous manifestations done today, the day of Lisa McPherson's birth. 
Now, Sabi, please understand this: if thousands of people made videos and protests with V for Vendetta masks on and Longcat quotes and whatnot for ANOTHER religion, you'd see me write a thread about Anonymous versus Random Religion. I might not like Scientology or what it stands for but that's because I don't like religion at all. Have a nice day. :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Feb 10, 2008 @ 5:48pm |
| Coolness: 146125 | "I might not like Scientology or what it stands for but that's because I don't like religion at all."
not that i give a fuck about scientology, but this is the biggest cop out on earth. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Feb 10, 2008 @ 6:14pm |
 Coolness: 686515 | What's wrong with disliking every organisation that seeks to oppress people and steal their money? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Sun Feb 10, 2008 @ 8:25pm |
| Coolness: 159160 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
"I might not like Scientology or what it stands for but that's because I don't like religion at all." not that i give a fuck about scientology, but this is the biggest cop out on earth. Meh. Sabi seems to think I only dislike Scientology. If there was an attack as hilarious as the Anonymous one on the Catholic church, I'd post it too. Call it a cop out or whatever. I'm not the person instigating the Anonymous attacks; I'm just posting on a rave forum about funny stuff. And if this is the biggest cop out on Earth, where the hell have you been since the 9/11 attacks? Everything that has come out of the Bush administration is a cop out. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Feb 11, 2008 @ 1:09am |
| Coolness: 202150 | For some reason it is acceptable to criticize and attack scientology but not the major religions which have brainwashed billions of people.
Where are the protests in front of churches and mosques and temples? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Feb 11, 2008 @ 2:02am |
| Coolness: 146125 | i'm sorry, and i'm not trying to give offense to anyone when i say this, but i see anti religion as a sort of bigotry in some senses,
perhaps i'm being unreasonable but i don't see most anti religious stances as an ideological or philosophical position more like an attack on whole groups of people... it's one thing to say ' i don't believe in any spirituality but you are free to believe in what you like' it's quite another thing to say 'down with all religion' if someone said: "I might not like kenyans or what they stand for but that's because I don't like black people at all." we would all see this as clearly absurd and furthermore quite shamefull perhaps the analogy does not really hold in this case... however what i think gets forgotten often in this debate is that religion (organized or otherwise) is a highly personal and subjective thing which only the person who does the believing really understands whether someone believes in shinto, animism or sufism i think it is a gross violation of individual dignity to pass judgment on them and say that they are brainwashed or something to that effect. I will never agree with anyone who says that they know better what's good for someone than themselves, if someone is an adult and not a child they should be able to decide what is good for them on their own. but...what the fuck do i know really... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Mon Feb 11, 2008 @ 2:29am |
| Coolness: 159160 | I understand your point, though I'm not sure I agree with the example given. Let me use one of my own.
I hate cocaine. I hate the fact that it exists, I hate the mere idea of it. I don't think anyone should be using it. I know people and friends that use it. I will hate the drug and the addiction but not the people and friends. This stated, I hate all hard drugs. Cocaine just happens to be one I'm mentioning "at the moment". Switch drugs for religions and cocaine with scientology. Anonymous has not made any direct threat to any scientology worshipper. They hate the religion and manifest against what they believe is a scam; this is what I'm posting here. It feels one-sided and I admit I expressed myself in favor of Anonymous but if the Scientology church acknowledged Anonymous' behavior (which they don't seem willing to do) and made news (owned) about them, I'd post it here too. Though this thread should have nothing to do with my personal beliefs (I'm only posting this for the lulz, to those who enjoy this kind of topics), I'll state that I don't consider myself better than a person of faith; I still believe that everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I just don't agree with them. If we had to agree with everything, the world would be hella boring. I see more cons than pros about most religions but I'm not so extreme about it. I'm no Dawkins. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Feb 11, 2008 @ 4:01am |
| Coolness: 202150 | I believe equating religion with race/colour/ethnicity is a flawed idea. I'd almost say it is a fundamentally dangerous concept that chips away at the right to question/examine/criticize religions by building a wall of 'political correctness' around them in order to not offend people. It treats the religiously devout as if they are children who need to be shielded, and does more to harm them than to help them.
Colour of skin/ethnicity/whatever is something you are born with; religion is a choice. People should be allowed to criticize others for whether they choose to follow a religion or not. That is a freedom that is essential to maintain in a democratic society with freedom of thought. It is my right to believe the followers of many religions are brainwashed. If they truly have faith, my opinion shouldn't shake their foundation. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Mon Feb 11, 2008 @ 7:55am |
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