Threats To Canadian Freedom
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» April-Anna replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 4:29am |
 Coolness: 39365 | I want to know who would be interested in organize a protest for Feb 16 upon fighting the North American Union? Of course there are many benefits to such an action but the disadvantages with the threats to our freedom as America changes our laws greatly frighten me. Already it is happening in BC. I am hearing all kinds of things; illegal to be homeless (how absurd is that?), checking ID's without any reasonable implications to do so of those using the transit with a right to deny use and black list should there be something they dont' like; transit security are allowed to carry guns with the legal right to shoot to kill if in defense.
I was also listening to the local university radio station here in Montreal about two months ago and they were talking about a new law that has slipped in that gives the cops the right to arrest someone without telling them why, take their rights away and put them into a silent court. Who wants to do whatever we can to prevent this from happening? And if it is going to go through; which realistically, no amount of protest is going to make a big difference, EXCEPT for the power of making all of the public aware... And now; if these laws get worse; what plans make we take to protect ourselves during these potentially turbulent times? Any serious detailed discussions about how to deal with the situation should only be done in person because I am sure all of these communications are watched; especially on a website known for collecting Freedom Thinkers. Talk to me FAMILEE let us gather we have to take our power back, we cannot allow our rights to be threatened. Some of this information can be found (for those who don't know) on the following movie: [ zeitgeistmovie.com ] also see [ www.facebook.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 4:33am |
 Coolness: 151370 | I'd be down. But that movie can suck my balls. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 11:59am |
 Coolness: 159145 | Must make it back in time for my time machine. Meet me behind Wendy's. We need to find a way to get to 88 miles per hour or the 1.21 gigawatts flux capacitor won't send me back.
I HAVE TO GO BACK! It's the only way to stop Nixon. NIXON IS WATCHING US! FEAR THE CROOK EYE OF NIXON! ... I want reliable sources for those Vancouver accusations. You seem to have a big case of the fear. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 1:02pm |
 Coolness: 41660 | Protests don't work. They are based on the ILLUSION that we live in a democracy. Wake up, smell the coffee, these people do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT...
No "protests" will change that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 1:15pm |
 Coolness: 227185 | Originally Posted By HORUS
Protests don't work. They are based on the ILLUSION that we live in a democracy. Wake up, smell the coffee, these people do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT... No "protests" will change that. That's gotta be the most retarded tought ever. Without protest, nothing changes. But then again what do I know, maybe flexin' pecs will make more of a difference... Update » MolocH wrote on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 1:16pm And yes, they do whatever they want because morons let them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 41660 | Of course, I have pecs, therefore I am a moron. For, surely, if I were smart, I would choose to look like a corpse. That is much better.
Keep to the topic. No matter who you elect, freedoms all get eroded all the same. They promise one thing then just do whatever. Learn history. Get perspective. The only thing you CAN have any power over is yourself, your own life, and yes your body. Concentration of power and money attracts vultures, and only the most ruthless ones get to it. Ruthless power/money-hungry people will NEVER DO ANYTHING than what serves THEM best because that is the very motivation that got them there in the first place. Although they will lie about it and tell people that they will do this and that for them, etc. Morons believe them. Morons believe they are trying, but are too dumb to succeed. The ones with a clue realize it is all on purpose. Deceit, power. Money. I'll not get into arguments with someone dumb enough to think that muscle mass is invariably inversely proportional to mind ability. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 1:40pm |
 Coolness: 93175 | Protests might not change anything directly but they make the other common people aware of issues. For people who aren't sure of themselves it makes them feel that this cause might be more justified if they see people in their own home city worried and if they are worried too they won't be afraid to stand in protest because alone they have no strength. Coffee time discussions begin as protesters banners fly by. Most people don't really realise anyone cares until they see a protest and it matters a lot to most people to be in line with what other people believe.
The government beigns to get shaky in the knees when they SEE the protesters with their eyes and might think twice before they fuck things up more(or just cover it up more...) lest the protests be bigger and mroe severe and make too much noise about what they don't want people to realise. Stephen Harper said abotu one very small "protest" against him that it was "pathetic". This bothered me quite a bit because I'm quite sure that many more than he knows would have joined them if they saw a point. I wasn't there and I hate him. I'd like him to know that. I'd like a few assholes to know that they aren't foolign everybody so they can't laugh and pat themseolves on the back. There's no way in particular way to get what we want from the government but there's little thigns we can do to piss them off. They are terrified about people believing certain things about them(which means they have a reason) and if they belive that people already do believe these things or that a large amount of the population is risk of being about to they do conduct themselves a little differently to gain amour. If we don't protest on things which will affect us badly this is a reinforcement to the government that we are weak, either don't know or don't care, and are not willing to do anything. Also large protests gain international attention and more people will step in to try and gain amour from their own populations.. if we had a really large protest they would be just humiliated. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 1:56pm |
| Coolness: 41660 | They don't get humiliated, they get SATISFIED because protests demonstrate the illusion that people have that they can actually change something. They can't. There is no "democracy" but a word in the newspapers.
See, people like Harper WANT you to hate him. That is what they relish. Hating him means you are emotional about his person and what he does, and emotion INVARIABLY clouds judgement. Thus, you cannot see the scheme within the scheme within the scheme, but you are instead caught up in how things LOOK, which is EXACTLY where he wants you and your cohorts. These are VERY DEVIOUS people here. Bush WANTS to appear dumb, for the reality of what he is is MUCH more dire. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 2:19pm |
 Coolness: 202135 | Protests are useful because they SCARE the government. It is important to show the government that as a people you are interested in showing your disapproval in a large group. It puts a face on the statement. The worst thing you can do is to sit at home and be apathetic; as far as I am concerned those are the ones who are eroding democracy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 2:21pm |
| Coolness: 93175 | Obvioulsy saying I hate him is a figure of speech, I don't hate anyone and I don't know why you would be picking that out. Yes he wants to appear dumb but he also wants people to vote for him. Rigging votes becomes hard if 1 million protesters just finished burnign new york down a day earlier. I think they do get humiliated but it's not the humiliation that counts, it's the numerous human rights groups that take notice and the fact the whole world will know that the common people don't support their governments actions. People don't look disallusioned for protesting, they look strong and determined and they get sympathy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 2:29pm |
| Coolness: 41660 | Originally Posted By MOONDANCER
Obvioulsy saying I hate him is a figure of speech, I don't hate anyone and I don't know why you would be picking that out. Yes he wants to appear dumb but he also wants people to vote for him. Rigging votes becomes hard if 1 million protesters just finished burnign new york down a day earlier. I think they do get humiliated but it's not the humiliation that counts, it's the numerous human rights groups that take notice and the fact the whole world will know that the common people don't support their governments actions. People don't look disallusioned for protesting, they look strong and determined and they get sympathy. Nope, people are way too busy working extra hours to pay their bills to get involved with all that stuff. It is, and always will be, a minority who does have the time and energy to expend on these things. Moreover, there are no systems that might work, as concentration of money and power invariably attracts ruthless vultures. The only thing you can take care of is your own life, nothing else. Sorry. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SeismoLogick replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 2:39pm |
 Coolness: 122525 | I'm in!
but it as to be a legal manifestation! if I get into trouble with justice I can't work anymore in my actual field |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Shindy replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 2:59pm |
 Coolness: 172750 | I love the we are screwed the big bad "they" will come and destroy our life, let's sit on our ass a think about me, myself and I attitude!!!
So not PLUR ... :P hehe |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 3:03pm |
| Coolness: 159145 | Rigging votes becomes hard if 1 million protesters just finished burnign new york down a day earlier.
*donut falls* STOP THE PRESSES! Hey, I thought that was how Rudy got to become presidential candidate! Granted, the "protesters" were Al-Quaeda but hey. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» April-Anna replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 3:41pm |
| Coolness: 39365 | The way I see it is this.
Yes first off, I am fully aware of this Illusion of Democracy. I have no faith in the system but it is better then alot of systems; we still experience alot of freedom and privilages that even in England they still have to fight for; my father is from England I know what they had to go through to get as far as they have in their own freedom within the illusion. The illusion is not, however, as strong as they teach us and we have more power the more we stand up for ourselves, especially united. There are many peoples in the world, such as Burma, a country that is experiencing real true lack of freedom; we are like spoiled children here in the West compared to a country like Burma. Their greatest leader for freedom is a women, who when she started her movement towards fighting for her people's rights, she was very young with nothing to back her but her faith in the basic human nature to be love. Presently she is under house arrest but she would do things like approach armies that had already shot and killed hundreds of children and women of their own people on the orders of the chinese and she approached these armies with her arms open and nothing but love in her eyes; she walked up to them (her message was that the power of love and the power of the mind is stronger then all laws and all armies and she had challenged the Chinese Government with this and had told them that despite their orders being to shoot to kill her for protesting for her people's rights to freedom) and put a hand on their guns, one by one and put their arms down and made the soldiers cry through nothing but a look in her eyes. People acheive impossible things against impossible odds all of the time in circumstances where freedom is a way more serious issue then what is happening here. But I would like to think that Canada can remain a safe house for the world as we are comprised of many people's from many countries who left whatever conditions and levels of suppression they were experiencing in their own country to a place where we have a chance at freedom, even if that freedom is not as free as it should be. I agree, protests are essentially useless. For except one thing; the awareness it raises. Most Canadians are not aware of what is going on, even if we cannot stop these laws from going through, we need to at least make sure that as many people as possible are aware. Especially before our hands are completely tied, if things did take a turn for the worst... If we at least publically stand up and say that we don't agree then we are not being their passive little puppets that they can just toy with. I will fight for my rights even if it meant it was my death. I will fight for the right to be free, for all people, if needed. Things might not take a turn for the worst, who knows. But in 2004, Noam Chomsky was organizing some sort of forum in Australia that I listened to for two hours on the Vancouver Community Radio; which is known for sharing news you cannot find in the media and it is usually the news that the public needs to be aware of the most. Noam Chomsky and his associates and colleagues (international) at this forum I listened to were all discussing things heading this way; this was predictable. That is what scares me is that people like Noam were warning us of something like this happening five years ago and very few people are aware, especially not the people that matter. I worked within the government as an intern for a year, ten years ago. I learned alot from the inside because I was there to shadow as an intern, everyone in the office and I observed alot about what is really going on and the reality is the system is being puppeted by many power houses and some of those power houses do care about what is happening to the people; we are supporting those power houses who care about us when we rally the public to become aware of what is going on. It is harder for the government to get away with this if the public has rallied; especially if we can get enough attention internationally to possibly even get pressure from say the United Nations because if the USA becomes that much of a western power house by taking over Canada and Mexico then that is a big threat to the rest of the world; provided that the puppeteers in the shadows here are not the same puppeteers as over there... Problem is, where does the truth end and begin within the conspiracy, no one really knows. Protests are better then doing nothing and have more power then voting. I don't vote because I don't believe it works. So now I want to do something loud. Make people aware. yes it scares me what is happening. our governments are going to be the death of this planet if things don't change or we will end up literal slaves again only this time they have technology to help them. right now we are only sort of slaves disguised in a democracy. the system is not entirely corrupt; there are good people in the government; this you can bet or things would already have moved where it is headed alot faster then it is now. Get smart, learn to be prepared for what is coming. Anyone who isn't going to just shoot their mouth off in here but is serious about looking at everything we can do to create change, please message me privately as I am organizing a meeting very soon between interested parties. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 4:11pm |
 Coolness: 122570 | Originally Posted By HORUS
No "protests" will change that. What about an armed resistance? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 4:22pm |
| Coolness: 41660 | Originally Posted By M-A-X
Originally Posted By Horus
No "protests" will change that. What about an armed resistance? A simultaneous coup d'état in most of the world's countries and elimination of the heads of the world's top 10,000 corporations might do something. That would be a tad more complicated than Al-Qaeda smashing some planes into the WTC towers, and I'm not saying that is anything like what actually happened... Overall, I prefer waiting for them to do their "world government" and take things from there. Once power is fully centralized, it will be easier to wreck their plan. Until then, bite the bullet, there will be pain. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» April-Anna replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 4:50pm |
| Coolness: 39365 | Yeah well people need to be aware and most people aren't.
I don't believe in armed resistance. I also do agree that trying to thwart a one government might be the plan but until it reaches that point, I will do everything I can prior to that point to help prevent it. Most likely it is not preventable, and admittedly, there is alot of positive advantages to such an event. However, before this happens, people need to be aware and it will be alot easier to do something about the situation when we are in a one world government if we are doing all we can before it happens because then people will be more used to and ready to mobolize. The government has the people by the balls through creating fear and a need for a dependancy on the government. This dependancy is created by fear. If enough people are not aware and are manipulated into accepting chips in their heads for safety (this has not started happening in Canada yet but has been happening for 5 years in the USA = I knew about this 5 years ago when the first chips started being implimented) reasons on the claims that it is for their health care; then protesting with a chip in your head is useless cuase then it is a matter of flipping a switch and you are not protesting anymore. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 4:57pm |
| Coolness: 41660 | ^^^
Clearly well-thought-out posting here :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» April-Anna replied on Thu Jan 3, 2008 @ 6:26pm |
| Coolness: 39365 | Thankyou.
For me this is a serious situation and we have to be pro-active, otherwise we are as bad as the supporters. Update » April-Anna wrote on Sat Jan 5, 2008 @ 4:23am Facts = North American Security and Prosperity Agreement
Wendy Forrest 11:47pm Jan 4th No it wasn't a refrendum. It was an agreement signed by Martin, Fox and Bush in Waco Texas. No debate in Parliament or Congress or whatever the Mexican equivalent is. It ain't over til its over. Harper signed on in 2006 when he was elected. Which just goes to show that there is no difference between Liberals and Conservatives. The NDP sits there with its thumb up its butt. They are calling for a debate in Parliament instead of a Referendum. That's like asking for it to go through as the House of Commons has more Liberals and Conservatives then anything else. Then there's the Bloc Quebecois that wants Canada to be broken up. Sounds good. I don't know if you know but I'm a candidate for CAP and we've been talking about this since forever. I was the only one in my riding talking about it in the last election! Only CAP is calling for a referendum. You might want to take a look at our website [ www.canadianactionparty.ca ] and here on facebook too. |
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