Why Do Bad Dj'S Fill Rooms?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 2:41pm |
 Coolness: 510470 | I'm so confused sometimes to see talentless or simply amateur DJ's fill a room and then a good DJ go on and the room clears.
What is wrong with our scene where the ONLY reason parties make it or don't is because of the friends of the Talent. Is it that we ALL just suck or is it that people like each other more than they like the scene itself? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 2:46pm |
 Coolness: 686500 | You answered your own question; friends make the party here. If you aren't "popular" with "the scene", then you're a nobody and no one cares about you, even if you're a million times better in every respect than every other DJ at the party.
If you aren't a recognisable name that's at 12 parties a week, you don't mean shit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 2:59pm |
| Coolness: 510470 | maybe there are too many parties too, you can't go out and take drugs every weekend and yet there are usually 2-3 parties every weekend, there's just not a big enough market for it. Then you have to take into account that without 20 plus pill poping adolescents, it's not really a rave anyway. over saturation perhaps? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 3:17pm |
| Coolness: 686500 | more like close-mindedness. When's the last time you saw a one-room party with gabber, psytrance, DnB, trance and electro? A lot of the "scenes" don't like mixing because they've got this elitist belief that "their" music is better than everything else and shut themselves off from enjoying anything that isn't "their" music.
The breaks/electro kids and the dnb kids tend to get along, the psytrance people are too into that hippy mysticism and alien shit to be into any kind of music that "doesn't speak to them", everyone mutualy agrees that trance is shit-music, you aren't going to find much hardcore/gabber people at an electro night, etc.. It's all about the musical cliques now, not about the love of music. If people's friends aren't into something, they won't be, because they don't want to be an outsider. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 3:22pm |
 Coolness: 141595 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
more like close-mindedness. When's the last time you saw a one-room party with gabber, psytrance, DnB, trance and electro? uhm... 
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 3:32pm |
| Coolness: 686500 | And that's one (well, 3, upcoming) out of how many parties every weekend for the past 5 years?
And yeah, not that it's a bad thing, but do you think a party like this could pull a crowd to fill a place larger than Cyberloft? It all goes back to the cliques, which you can see pretty well by looking at the lineups. Are there any DnB people for Timebomb? Are there any freeform or gabber people durring the Resistance Shakedown? Any electro/breaks at No Harder? The lineups are composed of the musical cliques that get along together. I dunno what your playing, but the techno and shranz, going into electrotech and electro breaks, followed by various forms of DnB, are all crowds of people that aren't really "into" hardcore/hhc/gabber/freeform, the 2nd one is all trance/trance-derivatives, and the 3rd one, with the exception of you playing psytrance, is almost all breakbeat hardcore derivative.. Let's throw Sicknes into the psytrance one, and see how fast the dancefloor clrears out, or throw a psytrance dj in the middle of the resistance shakedown and see how quick he lasts. And even if you do a change like that, the cliques of people are into too diffrent styles to really go all-out in attendance to a party for just 1 or 2 DJs they like, in the midst of music that isn't what they're "all about" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 3:55pm |
| Coolness: 510470 | You're right but it sucks. I honestly enjoy almost all those styles of music, with the exception of happy hardcore which gets on my nerves after only 5-7minutes. I personally love going to parties that offer variety as their main attraction, but then I only rave once every two months because staying up all night taking drugs is frickin' suicide in the long term.
Problem with fast music is that if you're not on drugs, you won't have fun because there's no where you can go to escape the incessant pounding. It's not 'chill' enough to be there for a long time sober. You can't have a normal sober conversation at a party like that either because the music is too loud. I think one thing recent raves are seriously missing is a chill room, if people were as comfortable at a rave as they were at a bar, then they might go every weekend, maybe even both nights. But that's not what raves are about.... *sigh* Update » AlienZeD wrote on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 3:56pm all to say there's no magic if you go so often, and if you don't go often, you're not helping the scene, so it's my opinion that the scene is killing itself by means of overpopulation, raves are just starving to death... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 4:01pm |
 Coolness: 107025 | Only a small proportion of each crowd is open to different styles of music. Thats why the mixed bill partys are quite small, usualy. Debatably, only a small proportion of society keeps an open mind to new ideas.
Most peoples have their favorite style of music to dance to and will stretch there tastes, as long as the tempo is not radicaly different. The average non-dj/musicien usualy cant hear the difference between a technicaly awesome dj and a bad one, as long as he dosent trainwreck every mix and playes popular tunes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Tamala replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 4:37pm |
 Coolness: 166550 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED I'M SO CONFUSED SOMETIMES TO SEE TALENTLESS OR SIMPLY AMATEUR DJ'S FILL A ROOM AND THEN A GOOD DJ GO ON AND THE ROOM CLEARS. WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR SCENE WHERE THE ONLY REASON PARTIES MAKE IT OR DON'T IS BECAUSE OF THE FRIENDS OF THE TALENT. IS IT THAT WE ALL JUST SUCK OR IS IT THAT PEOPLE LIKE EACH OTHER MORE THAN THEY LIKE THE SCENE ITSELF?
OMFG. Diva boy, pleasse fuckin sit and relax. Melo ain't such an amateur, everybody had problems with the damn turntables it is not a secret, quit bitching and hiding it behind some shitty excuse that you are trying to help everyone else when obviously not, since you go backstabbing them indirectly in other topics. I perhaps have no excuse, I have been playing for about 3 years but have stopped the 2 last, I quit because my interest in the psy scene has decreased of those elitist loser hippies. So of course I missed it, and wanted maybe to start over again since some people were asking for me, and Sickness gave me a chance because he HAD HEARD me before AND KNEW I used to be quite good AND people always loved my "show". In those 2 years of not playing, I have lost a lot of experience and practice, and after all the schedule switching and shit, thanks to you mostly, my heart was even less into it, believe me. I got there, saw the 800's and the mixer, and I'm now used to play on dual decks and some basic numark mixer. It takes a while to be able to adapt yourself easily to a different gear every time, and I kind of have lost that too, and Melo told me some DJ's have asked her a few questions about the gear afterwards because they did not know, it fuckin happens! My set was a success for most people, NOT ALL FRIENDS OF MINE, come on, but it was a disaster for me, but I know the reasons. So will you please do us the favor and stop being a fucking hypocrit "trying to help your fellow DJ's" when obviously you're just being a PITFA! Oh and btw, telling the next DJ that all their EQ's have to be straight to play the tune right, or not to play with the gain, don't do that bitch, you're just being a wise ass and we're not all retarded. Not touching the gain or eq's when not all tunes are mastered the same? Do you even know shit to be able to brag this much? I'm sorry I'm never this mean and especially not with other artists cuz I respect people's ways of evolution and their luck, but this guy's been complaining for 2-3 days, and we've had it. FUCK OFF and mind your own business, if you ain't getting any crowd, it's probably cuz you suck too, I don't know, I didn't hear and frankly now, I hope I never will. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AngelKore replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 4:44pm |
 Coolness: 86915 | I totally and more than totally agree with Tamala! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 5:13pm |
| Coolness: 686500 | So by your OWN admission, you haven't played in 2 years and have lost experience and practice, and then procede to blame not knowing the equipment on things not sounding perfect? If you haven't been out playing in 2 years and don't have your skills up to 100% game, what the fuck are you doing playing at a party when there are TONS of other DJs who have more skill that aren't getting bookings? Oh, right, someone who didn't care/know what you sound like NOW booked you on a reputation you had THEN.
There are so many AMAZING and tallented DJs in montreal that it is absolutely inexcusable to have someone booked at a party who can't walk the walk. But, like I said in my first post, people care more about how many friends you can bring to their event than of the actual skill of the DJs, because skills don't make money, friends and hype do. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 5:31pm |
 Coolness: 153915 | ok, first of all, a dj is someone that plays other peoples track mainly like 90% of the time, like it or not, there is no REAL talent in being a dj, its most of the job, practice, some wont like what im saying, but any real dj knows what im talking about.
ive seen dj's like delta 9 mix, in fact he doesnt mix at all, he cuts tracks with movie samples or something, so we agree he doesnt mix,but this guys has mixed in front of more people in one time, that all of the people you will bring to see you in your entire life. a dj, is someone who moves the crowd, not only beatmatch choonz, if your about djs that beatmatch but look like a statue behind the tables, fine for you, but when you go see a show, do you expect to see the poster of a band with the cd playing? its about giving a show. which is something you didnt quite understand as i can see... and you totally blasted melo about her djing, while she has a lot more experience than you, can mix alot more than you of what i heard, ad before blasting people, get your thing straight... *Problem with fast music is that if you're not on drugs, you won't have fun because there's no where you can go to escape the incessant pounding. It's not 'chill' enough to be there for a long time sober. You can't have a normal sober conversation at a party like that either because the music is too loud.* ok, now your a tota idiot, you just loose all credibility by saying that, this was the worst thing to say, i can say like you,* psy suck, its all r2d2 samples and some wierd indian and space sound, with a cheap-ass kick and bubbly bassline* you like that huh, no... and i wouldnt say this seriously because im not an elitist, i love hardcore, but i love every genre of music, you cant say a music is bad by its speed, it just doesnt make sense, and you just look like an ass... and whats about helping people when a dj wants to switch timeslots with you, and you whine no no no, im too cool, when all we wanted is I to give tamala help, wich is something you didnt do, and blocked us to do it with your *im a diva* attitude... that what i call supporting fellow djs... right ... i had respect for you before, because i didnt know you, but you prove you were an ass in just 2 days. its because of fuckin elitist like you that scenes dont mix themselves anymore, but i dont worry, i know you clearly aimed your post at tamala, but she brought more people tha you at the party, like i did too, and all the other djs, because all the time i was there, you were the dj with the less people dancing. BOOOM BITCH next time think before acting stupid, and dont say your here to help people, your acting like the U.S.A... Update » Deadfunk wrote on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 5:49pm but listen alienzed, i just really wanna help you, you know!
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 6:00pm |
| Coolness: 686500 | No amount of amazing tracks and good stage presence will ever make up for boots in a dryer in between every tune. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 6:07pm |
 Coolness: 88485 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
there is no REAL talent in being a dj, its most of the job, practice, some wont like what im saying, but any real dj knows what im talking about. We could argue that producing is exactly the same, except that you need WAY MORE practice before you actually sound any good and that most people get discouraged before that point. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 6:11pm |
 Coolness: 104245 | Originally Posted By OMNI
Originally Posted By Deadfunk
there is no REAL talent in being a dj, its most of the job, practice, some wont like what im saying, but any real dj knows what im talking about. We could argue that producing is exactly the same, except that you need WAY MORE practice before you actually sound any good and that most people get discouraged before that point. and you play tracks no one has heard yet... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 6:14pm |
| Coolness: 686500 | Yeah, it's not like you have to actually PLAY every instrument in electronic music. Most people don't know any more about how to use a synth than tweeking presets. And even if they DO play their own arangements with a midi keyboard, the first thing that gets done after it's been played 99% of the time is hit the quantize button, because they don't really have any skill when it comes to playing in time.
Everyone could argue about something musical taking more or less tallent than something else. I'm willing to bet most scratch djs that can't beatmatch if their life depended on it have way more technical skill than the average producer or dj. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 6:27pm |
 Coolness: 45460 | bad djs get hired because unlike tradition music where a shitty band is much easier to recognise , being a dj , more specifically being a successfull has everything to do with hype. Almost every headliner is booked because of the buzz surrounding their productions which knidna shows the actual djing isn't important. Add to that the general unsoberness of most people and well , nobody will ever notice how bad a dj is .
But i do agree , having come from a smaller city in but fuck alberta , i am surprised by how shitty the djs are here . Of course i've only been to 2 events here one of them being terra but it almost seems like everyone that played was a budding bedroom dj. If you are pissed off because bad djs are getting booked and you aren't , i would just spend less time on being a good dj and more time getting to know people and promoting yourself. AND FROM experience , don't trash shitty djs no matter how shitty they might be. Djing is alot like being a politician in that you really have to be everyone's friend if you want to get somewhere. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 8:37pm |
| Coolness: 510470 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
ok, first of all, a dj is someone that plays other peoples track mainly like 90% of the time, like it or not, there is no REAL talent in being a dj, its most of the job, practice, some wont like what im saying, but any real dj knows what im talking about. ive seen dj's like delta 9 mix, in fact he doesnt mix at all, he cuts tracks with movie samples or something, so we agree he doesnt mix,but this guys has mixed in front of more people in one time, that all of the people you will bring to see you in your entire life. a dj, is someone who moves the crowd, not only beatmatch choonz, if your about djs that beatmatch but look like a statue behind the tables, fine for you, but when you go see a show, do you expect to see the poster of a band with the cd playing? its about giving a show. which is something you didnt quite understand as i can see... and you totally blasted melo about her djing, while she has a lot more experience than you, can mix alot more than you of what i heard, ad before blasting people, get your thing straight... *Problem with fast music is that if you're not on drugs, you won't have fun because there's no where you can go to escape the incessant pounding. It's not 'chill' enough to be there for a long time sober. You can't have a normal sober conversation at a party like that either because the music is too loud.* ok, now your a tota idiot, you just loose all credibility by saying that, this was the worst thing to say, i can say like you,* psy suck, its all r2d2 samples and some wierd indian and space sound, with a cheap-ass kick and bubbly bassline* you like that huh, no... and i wouldnt say this seriously because im not an elitist, i love hardcore, but i love every genre of music, you cant say a music is bad by its speed, it just doesnt make sense, and you just look like an ass... and whats about helping people when a dj wants to switch timeslots with you, and you whine no no no, im too cool, when all we wanted is I to give tamala help, wich is something you didnt do, and blocked us to do it with your *im a diva* attitude... that what i call supporting fellow djs... right ... i had respect for you before, because i didnt know you, but you prove you were an ass in just 2 days. its because of fuckin elitist like you that scenes dont mix themselves anymore, but i dont worry, i know you clearly aimed your post at tamala, but she brought more people tha you at the party, like i did too, and all the other djs, because all the time i was there, you were the dj with the less people dancing. BOOOM BITCH next time think before acting stupid, and dont say your here to help people, your acting like the U.S.A... listen Tamala, posting another post under someone else's account doesn't mean you are twice as right... But congratulations on proving that you are a total retard by not even remotely understanding what I was talking about. Lucky for me, you're not worth the time it would take me to dumb it down enough for you to comprehend. This thread WASN'T about you, and most definitely not about Melo for whom I still have respect. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_worm replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 8:54pm |
 Coolness: 61965 | i've been partying for 12 years now and i've work my way trough every fuckin styles of electronic music and goes along with every cliques of ravers and i can say that it's all the same pattern in every genre.
I have seen so many bad dj but nobody noticing cause everybody is high and having fun. But there is always a new kid who comes out jaded and start thinking he is sooooo hot that he can crap on everyone. for me psy is good,hardcore is raw, drum and bass fuckin rocks,electro is nice to fuck,breaks is perfect when you're drunk and the rest is crap. So please stop the fuckin drama and can someone tell me how iznogood manage to get booked at every fuckin party for a while and still was trainwrecking on every fuckin' mix. And as for playing the newest choonz around well that's like geekness cause there will be like 2% of the crowd that will notice. Sooo chill the fuck out and let da kidz have fun. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Sep 4, 2007 @ 9:31pm |
| Coolness: 153915 | wtf, tamala has nothing to do with my post, she wasnt even there when i wrote it.
and if it not aimed at tamala neither melo, then why JUST AFTER SAYING THEY SUCKED, you start this thread? and i totally understood your post, and i prove you wrong, but hey, im a retard, because im not a stupid elitist |
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