The Issue Of French In Quebec...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 3:57pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nellboy replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 4:38pm |
 Coolness: 39675 | Originally Posted By AERIAL_RAVER MON PÈRE DIT QUE SI LES QUÉBÉCOIS FONT PLEIN DE CONTRACTIONS DE MOTS (EX: J'TÉ, Y, PIS, 'GARDE, ETC...) C'EST À CAUSE QU'À -40 L'HIVER, T'AS PAS LE CHOIX DE PARLER VITE, SINON TA LANGUE GÈLE
 i'd believe it... you shorten your vowels almost to the point where they're non-existent... on the other hand, I've heard that the reason there's a drawl in the southern states of the USA, i.e. long vowels, is because of the heat.. because it's too hot to speak quickly there... maybe accent is influenced by climate.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bunnytronix replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 4:50pm |
 Coolness: 153435 | I think some of the hate stems from Montrealers that don't speak french that have been raised here.
Honestly I was pissed for a while about that. Learning the language is the basic form of respect, and it's not even there, so why the fuck should I respect you, you've been here all you're life. got me pissed, thouroughly. But then some of them have nice asses, so you cut a little loose. Hi Cat. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» tranceinmypants replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 6:20pm |
 Coolness: 48385 | Id think it stems less from anglophones just being anglophones and more from being the target of measures like language laws. You want to talk about respect where the hell does the french majority get off telling anyone what type of language they Have to use, much less how big their english signs can be and all that; its small wonder they alienated a lot of mtlers.
But its definitely a blessing to have a bilingual environment, and french is thankfully indispensable, but shouldnt b dogmatically imposed. The lang laws were justified by some hoopla saying the french culture was in peril. That was true in R. Levesques day when he said it, not in our time..its never been stronger. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 7:04pm |
 Coolness: 295900 | It's because du calisse d'internet, tout de ça faute.
Fuck l33t writing ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PinWhEeL replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 7:37pm |
 Coolness: 116590 | Originally Posted By AERIAL_RAVER
je trouve le joual cool, mais je connais personne qui le parle complètement, apparemment c'était plutôt dans les années 50/60 que ça se parlait. Genre "Les Belles-Soeurs" de Michel Tremblay, malade! ^__^ N'ah, on a notre langue propre au Québec. Faut bien parler, mais de là à parler en Français International, y'a des limites ;) Mon père dit que si les Québécois font plein de contractions de mots (ex: j'té, y, pis, 'garde, etc...) c'est à cause qu'à -40 l'hiver, t'as pas le choix de parler vite, sinon ta langue gèle 
mon grand-père ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sKiiL_sAw replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 8:21pm |
 Coolness: 71320 | J'ai beaucoup de misère a croire que certaines personnes ne parlent pas français au qc. Et on s'entend que ''certaines'' = bcp. Presque tous montréalais. Sortez de la ville parfois....... comment vous faites!?!?!?! Je ne me sentirais pas très bien dans ma ville si parfois je n'était pas capable de répondre a une simple question comme ''quelle heure est-il?'' C'est ça qui me désole le plus... ce n'est pas tout les anglophones de mtl loin de la mais, ca m'arrive souvent.. trop souvent en fait. Mais je dois avouer que les québecois on est pas facile a comprendre mais .... c pareil partout. Tout le monde parle trop vite et tout le monde a leurs expressions. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 8:47pm |
| Coolness: 295900 | Achète toi une montre ;-) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 9:13pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mayday replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 9:17pm |
 Coolness: 47450 | I gotta agree with Nellboy.
As an Anglo person who has chosen to permenantly make my home here, I've found the whole transition really, really difficult from english to french. I took it in school as a kid and even did a 4 month program, 4 days a week for 4 hours (thats alot of fours) and I still really struggle understanding people because of the slang/choppiness of the language here. I've also encountered people here on more then one occaision who "pretend" to not understand me, even saying just basic phrases that I KNOW I am saying correctly, and frankly that pisses me the fuck off. Regardless, my quest to speak broekn french continues.....hooray! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 9:26pm |
| Coolness: 295900 | you can do it! :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 9:30pm |
 Coolness: 104180 | YOu definitely need more than that. I studied French in school from the age of 8-21, and was no further ahead when I got here.
I think the big difference is that I had a LOT more of the basics, and hooked up with a good gang of friends frien the east side right away. Learning to speak / understand this language needs a solid immersion, a lot of one on one time with native speakers, and la volonté 'sti. The day you realize all the little words that repeat in an avg quebecois sentence, you are already gonna be that much further ahead. There is nothing inherently wrong with quebec french, you just gots to re-train your ears |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 10:18pm |
 Coolness: 686515 | I grew up completely french. I didn't know a word of english untill I started learning it in grade 2, and I STILL can't understand half of what most people who speak "quebec french" are saying. They keep talking about protecting a language that they don't even speak properly to a point that I find absolutely dissgusting. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Thu Jun 21, 2007 @ 11:45pm |
 Coolness: 159160 | I lived in North Florida for nearly three years and at first, I barely understood anyone. The "redneckish" was strong. It's all a matter of total immersion. Live in in. Do it everyday, all the time. At the end of those years, I came back with a southern accent. :S
Thank the crawling chaos I lost that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf replied on Fri Jun 22, 2007 @ 9:36am |
 Coolness: 43925 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
I grew up completely french. I didn't know a word of english untill I started learning it in grade 2, and I STILL can't understand half of what most people who speak "quebec french" are saying. They keep talking about protecting a language that they don't even speak properly to a point that I find absolutely dissgusting. Hm? What is the reference point with which you can tell we dont speak french properly? Has far as I know, we're the only place on the planet that still speaks french properly, as it used to be. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Jun 22, 2007 @ 10:41am |
 Coolness: 93190 | This thread makes me sad. There is no issue of french in quebec. Most of us grew up in the times of the referendum when we were all pitted against eachother and although there is still a lot of stubborness from some people to speak the opposite language I think they're few and far between. Some of the rudeness you experience is probably from those people but I wouldn't be surprised if you are misunderstanding a lot of it either. If someone is asked to repeat themselves three times it's completely normal that they will get slightly frustrated and they will answer the third time in a raised voice. That happens to me with people equally in both english + french. I'm sure if you were workign at a store in T.O and a chink off the boat asked you to repeat yourself over and over, even knowing that they were foreign, you probably wouldn't be able to mask the frustration of repeating yourself.
It's true also that there is a lot of different slang and expression in quebec french but for the most part I don't think this should be enough to really affect your understanding that much. It's a matter of learning the accent and learning to pick out the words. It's not normal to be able to speak a language with native speakers just from taking courses unless the courses actually involve conversing with foreign students. Native speakers always speak faster and with accents you're unlikely to learn in school. That's true for any language. In school they will teach you in the france accent if anything, it is not more correct of an accent, just different like england is from canada. There are also a lot of places in Quebec that are not bilingual. For example Abitibi, Rimouski, no one knows how to speak english and there's no english people. The eastern townships and the west island no one can speak french probably cause there's no french people. It's only really Montreal where people are heavily bilingual and I'm thinking/hoping that at some point it will be even more bilingual as the times of referendum fade further away. Who knows what will happen though. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Fri Jun 22, 2007 @ 11:51am |
| Coolness: 153930 | referendums are crap
everybody in the world should speak 1 language, but that would some kind of chinease, cause they are like 1/3 of the world allready speaking it |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nellboy replied on Fri Jun 22, 2007 @ 12:00pm |
| Coolness: 39675 | ok, I really didn't mean to start an argument here between french and english speakers... I've detected animosity from certain english speakers here towards the french as well as french towards the english... I just happen to be on the receiving end of more french hostility here, which is normally dissipated once I explain 'que je suis irlandais, et j'ai arrive ici, il y'a une annee'... most quebecers have some irish heritage, like the rest of the planet, which definitely helps me... so eventhough the referendum is over etc etc. and french is a much stronger language in the city, which is a good thing, is there really a need for the hostility?... most people here would say no, and that is something I acknowledge... Like I said before, many of the quebecoises I've met here have been the most genuinely nice people I've met in Montreal... Plus I'm learning more and more as I go... It's just a little bit more difficult here than it would be in france for example, because they speak a more standardised french...
however the ones who remain hostile, the ones who say 'learn our fucking language' are normally the ones who make no effort at all to help you when you try to make an effort by speaking broken french... they're the ones who look to the sky and speak to you in english like you're an idiot, instead of speaking to you in french a little bit more slowly so you'll understand... it's counter productive... and frankly pretty rude from an outsiders perspective... especially when that outsider speaks french to them, eventhough it isn't perfect... Like I said, every french (from france) who I've ever spoken french to has told me that I'm doing well, even when it's not true... sans exceptions!... Also, like it or not, Montreal's uniqueness and style is due to it's mix of cultures, particularly french and english, so like it or not, the english and the french speaking population are co-dependent... the local economy has thrived on it since the very start, and still does... in summary: life's too short for fighting |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» tranceinmypants replied on Fri Jun 22, 2007 @ 12:31pm |
| Coolness: 48385 | Originally Posted By MOONDANCER
chink off the boat heaha praps not the best term to use? but i think wat vexes people with joale is that the accent tends to mangle the language and make it undecipherable, whereas in england and france the enunciation is clear, you know what theyre saying even tho they have an accent. Same with heavy southern and sometimes irish and scottish accents (sorry nellboy). Quebecers originated from france so there is a direct archetype u can refer to on the "proper" form of the language.. either way I dont see much of that 'learn our fucking language' fanaticism anymore, tis true |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Fri Jun 22, 2007 @ 1:18pm |
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