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How To Mix Better?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Jul 16, 2006 @ 9:39pm |
 Coolness: 510470 | practice. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Mon Jul 17, 2006 @ 12:57pm |
 Coolness: 141595 | Originally posted by MADESKIMO...
if the song is so good 25 seconds in thats all i needed to hear lol but dude... tracks have intros and outros for a reason... they are just screaming MIX ME IN OR DIE!!! the reason promoters hire djs instead of jukeboxes is that djs can mix two tracks withouth losing any energy or breaking down at unwanted places... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Mon Jul 17, 2006 @ 1:58pm |
 Coolness: 84785 | why did the productivity of this thread start going backwards?
how did we go from "mixing better" to giving up on mixing all together? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Mon Jul 17, 2006 @ 7:42pm |
 Coolness: 76580 | The reason that a lot of tracks have intros and outros is because producers know that most DJs are lazy twats or are so untalented and wouldn't be able to play them otherwise. I've known far too many DJs that had this idea that tracks are somehow sacred and that you should respect the integrity of the artistic work and only mix during the intro and outro. That notion is bullshit.
Reshape the songs the way you want to hear them. This is not disrespectful to the artist, btw. The people who make music are creative people - they understand the creative process - and a lot of them like to hear their tracks used in creative ways. To go way back into history - here's an excerpt from a Kraftwerk interview where they discuss Afrika Bambaata's Planet Rock: Ralf Hütter: Well, we have been hearing Bambaataa many years before. Our first experience was when he was playing "Trans Europe Express" and "Metal On Metal" on 2 discs in a club, and they were experimenting with two record players, and they had two pressings, and so he was doing that, and from there I knew there were things going on, and then he did that rap record, and "Trans Europe Express". JJJ: Did you find it exciting? Ralf Hütter: Yes, it's a very, very good record. full text here: [ kraftwerk.technopop.com.br ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Mon Jul 17, 2006 @ 11:35pm |
| Coolness: 141595 | dude of course I totally agree that songs can be mixed at any point and can be fucked with in a creative fation... I just think that there are two types of djs... (well more than two but anyways) normal djs and live remix artists... and I do think that if your gonna try and be a remix artist you better try and be a normal dj first and understand the basics of beatmatching and eqing... but then again I mean it always depends on what you are mixing and all... this threat is getting really complicated really considering that some tips and tricks word for some stuff and it wont for other... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jul 17, 2006 @ 11:43pm |
 Coolness: 686500 | remix artist is more like using Ableton Live or using like 3-4 decks doing mashups. Most tunes are like 6-8 minutes long. There are multiple mixing points throughout every single one. Just using the intro/outro is being uncreative and boring. Find spots where the 2 (3? 4 even?) tunes work together. Personally I pack as many tunes into a set as I have time to fit in, because there are tons of spots in every tune that can be used creatively with any and every other tune. When I played in QC for easter I dropped something around 45 tunes in an hour and a half on 2 decks. Can't do something like that if you're just mixing intros with outros. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Jul 18, 2006 @ 12:54am |
| Coolness: 510470 | That's not true, you can put the tempo at it's fastest and I'm sure you could fit 100 tracks in! :P |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jul 18, 2006 @ 1:06am |
| Coolness: 686500 | heh I'm a little bit of a speed freak when it comes to mixing. I tend to start off around +5-6% and usually end up having to lower a pitch once in a while 'cause I can't mix in the next track.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jul 18, 2006 @ 3:09am |
 Coolness: 146110 | Originally posted by [SCREWHEAD]...
remix artist is more like using Ableton Live or using like 3-4 decks doing mashups. Most tunes are like 6-8 minutes long. There are multiple mixing points throughout every single one. Just using the intro/outro is being uncreative and boring. Find spots where the 2 (3? 4 even?) tunes work together. Personally I pack as many tunes into a set as I have time to fit in, because there are tons of spots in every tune that can be used creatively with any and every other tune. When I played in QC for easter I dropped something around 45 tunes in an hour and a half on 2 decks. Can't do something like that if you're just mixing intros with outros. me and fred are so on the same page on this, all tho i don't play as fast a music as fred (if i remember he's still on his hardcore metal dnb shit, i play a funky ghetto tech) i can easily jack like 30+ tracks in one hour, i have friends who are int techno and tell me they play something like 15-20 tracks an hour...my tracks are all very short it's rare to find a booty track thats a full side, if you do it's usually a gem..most of them are about an inch running for about 2.5-3 mins....i like lighting mixing or blitz mixing as some call it, it keeps it interesting and it keeps a DJ on his or her toes... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jul 18, 2006 @ 3:14am |
| Coolness: 686500 | Totally! heh I'm onto a little of everything though, you'll catch some hiphop in my sets every once in a while (or with a 3 deck setup I'm always scratching and throwing in accapellas)
Plus when you know your shit inside out and get the good feel for the mathematical structure to it, you're constantly playing 2 tracks with like just a few bars to switch in a new record. Most of the time I just beatmatch and mix in my tracks from the second I let the record go because I don't let the record go on an "off" beat (ie: only at the start of the major changeups that usually occur every 16/32/64 bars as opposed to the ones on the 2/4/12) Mixing fast is fun as hell! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jul 18, 2006 @ 3:49am |
| Coolness: 146110 | in a lot of way thats why people call us 'gunslingers', cause we gun every track into action...it is the way of the gun... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Jul 19, 2006 @ 11:40pm |
| Coolness: 146110 | kinda of a technical question i have a friend who really wants to be able to use his right hand to manipulate the plate (ie cue) i told him it makes more sense to use the left, given the directions the record moves and the position of the tone arm, i told him if he uses his right and puts his hand down about an inch infront of the needle the chances of jumping the tracks (skipping) are really high, any suggestions to remedy this situation, does anybody know anybody who does most of their work on the dex with the right hand, what is their stratagy? I need answers!!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Jul 20, 2006 @ 12:42am |
| Coolness: 686500 | Best thing I can think of is to have the decks set up battle style. I always have problems with hitting the arm when decks are in "standard" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Thu Jul 20, 2006 @ 5:12pm |
| Coolness: 84785 | BATTLE STYLE!!!
ME LIKEY!! i find regular set ups annoying too... not so much about bumping the decks... more about being farther away from my mixer... especially if i'm using c.d.j's and they are on the outsid of the turntables... it makes me crazy cuz i can't make emergency pitch adjustment at the same time as i'm equing. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Jul 20, 2006 @ 5:33pm |
| Coolness: 686500 | yeah that's also a major advantage, it makes the setup more compact, less moving around and reaching to get things done. My original setup when I started spinning was to have the 2 decks battle-style, but next to each other just to the left of the mixer, 'cause my left hand is the record-manipulation hand when it comes to scratching, so all I had to do was hit the reverse CF switch and I could scratch with either deck and feel comfortable. |
| I'm feeling confused right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Thu Jul 20, 2006 @ 6:37pm |
 Coolness: 94010 | I like the regular setup, but then again, I have freakishly long arms, so maybe thats why distance doesnt bother me when cdj's and decks are involved... my only pet peeve is getting to a venue only to find the decks set up at a height of less than 3.6ft, that drives me nuts, not to mention the imanent back pains after the set....
Ufot-geez, give me a break....beat |
| I'm feeling bad boy right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Thu Jul 20, 2006 @ 11:03pm |
| Coolness: 76580 | Screwhead - Crazy B from France used that set up in an old DMC video I had (the first year Craze won the world title)... I played around with it, but I'm so used to the standard set up. I can play on a battle set-up, but I find it awkward to make pitch adjusts without bumping the tone-arm. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Jul 28, 2006 @ 10:51pm |
| Coolness: 146110 | i need someone to give me a tutorial in how to use cd dex it's becoming really hard to just use plates. i think the model i'm gonna use is the dennon vjm 7000 i'll check tonight... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Da_Hand replied on Mon Oct 30, 2006 @ 11:19am |
 Coolness: 42950 | Hey guys, some really cool ideas in this thread!
I just wanted to add my 2 cents about the bass lines (oh no, not that again! LOL ). I agree with Dave and Murdock on this subject - and, yes, I have played on big sound systems LOL. 1. If you don't know your records inside out (yes, even the one you bought today) and have not actually practiced mixing bass lines before playing them out, then there is not point in trying it for the first time when playing out. Sometimes magic does happen spontaneously during a set, but that usually happens because you know your records - and so have an intuition of what may or may not work. If you don't know what records work together, then , yes, you may need to have strict rules for mixing them. 2. The liquid analogy is flawed. Bass lines do not occupy all the bass frequencies all the time during a song. This would mean that the bass of the song is one long, unmoving fart - Ha ha! No, no. Bass "lines" are actually made of individual notes, each occupying a narrow slice of the frequency range. Some basslines occupy larger chunks of the frequency range - especially if the have their notes doubled in octaves - but most basslines are pretty straightforward in the frequency range and stay in quite a narrow band. Also, basslines are full of holes - like a Swiss cheese ;) Some are not, of course, but punchy basslines have notes of a finite length, with a pause before the next note comes in. So if you mix two basslines on top of each other, their individual notes can fall into slots not occupied by the other bassline, thus, not taking up the same frequency range at the same time. Also, even if the bassline notes sound at the same time, they may be different notes - an E on top of a C, for example - again not taking up the same frequencies. If they are the same note, C on a C, they may be an octave apart - or more. So all I am saying is that not all basslines will work on top of each other at full volume, but some will sound great. And that music should not be thought of as static frequencies, but frequencies that are constantly appearing and disappearing. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Oct 30, 2006 @ 11:26am |
| Coolness: 686500 | You obviously have absolutely no idea how frequencies and, especially bass, works.
If your bass frequencies are not the same or in the same key, the speakers are being forced to vibrate diffrent non-harmonic frequencies, and that puts strain on them and makes them unable to properly output them and sound good. |
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