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How To Mix Better?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 5:50pm |
 Coolness: 84785 | madforgayass wrote:
ya whoever mentioned having bass on both tracks is a moron. The whole point in Eqing is to have a balance between both tracks. Having kick drums that both have high energy in the bass frequencies will result in phase distortion and will sound bad 100% of the time.
Bass isn't something you mix. This isn't an opinion. The whole concept of equing is to have elements in their seperate frquency band so they don't get in the way. god damn jeez... what a bitch^^^^ and big ups to dave for defending my point... 12db is usually where i kill it too coincedentaly... like 1/4 up for us simpletons... and the 4/4 thing is a great example of my point... like why would you wanna drop the high frequencys of a 4/4 kick? and i certainly wouldn't want to kill the bass on the fat break thats already got the croud moving... so why not rock em both? and being a producer isn't much of an excuse... if i made a track with sampled loops i wouldn't start equing the bass outta my kicks cuz i have 2 drum loops layered either... but thats just me... anyway... the whole reason i started playing with 2 basslines is that my friends who were playing the big afterhours clubs like stereo and sona had to learn the hard way that killing your bass all the way on big sytems is fuckin' tricky buisness and were nice enough to pass the knowledge. anyway.... i like this thread... and wanna learn some new moves... so ya... BRING DAT SHIT!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» davesob replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 5:57pm |
 Coolness: 53865 | LOL?
btw, I never said I don't use the eqs, I just said sometimes it's best not to use them. here are 2 mixes: [ www.nocommercialvalue.ca ] (this is my electrohiphouse mix, summer 2005) [ www.nocommercialvalue.ca ] The last one is newer, but it is ziped, the tracks are all separated and it was mixed by 3 people. My segment is track 18 to 23 I believe. Incase your not able to listen right away, you can also find a review here: [ www.hour.ca ] enjoy and let me know what you think |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 6:03pm |
 Coolness: 45460 | lol EQ ing is Eqing wether it be on a dj mixer or a studio mixer. You don't mix bass. You don't have 2 bass sources occupying the bass range at the same time.
grab any audio engineering book. None of you fucks have actually dj'd anywhere except the odd shitty rave with shitty soundsystem that your friends threw. So just shut up already. Had you fuckfaces actually played on real sound systems , you would know that having 2 bass sources being mixed sounds awfull. You get kick phasing which takes away energy. If a song is in a breakdown and the bass isn't there regardless of EQ , then sure the other track having its bass up won't hurt the mix , but having 2 tracks with bass up will sound bad all the time. It isn't an opinion |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» davesob replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 7:17pm |
| Coolness: 53865 | What your saying is not wrong, all I'm saying is that it's not an absolute rule. Did you read my example?
I was doing some research on electronic music websites recently, and I am reminded of an article in IDJ - [ www.i-dj.co.uk ] Its a pretty well known publication in the dj world, maybe you have heard of it? This is in their dj techniques section and was written by Mapi Swift - ``Basically a double drop is when you’ve got your two cuts lined up so well that both of them drop at exactly the same time. Essentially it means loads of impact, and I mean loads. When it’s done properly you’ve got two basslines and melodies rolling at exactly the same time.`` If you look into it, you will see that this guy has played on a few big system, as have I btw.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 8:00pm |
 Coolness: 340575 | Originally posted by DAVESOB...
Alot of the best djs I see don't really touch the eqs that much because it takes away from the sound of the track. Many of the big house clubs in NYC ad Chicago don't even have an eq for the individual channels, they just have one eq for the master out. hahahahahaha.. that's classic. So you see a couple of lazy DJs who don't care enough to do frequency filtering while mixing, and you then assume that it's cause they're good and know what they're doing.. psst. it's cause they know most of the people on the dance floor don't give a shit about good mixing when they redline the amps at 120dB... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 10:18pm |
 Coolness: 128675 | I can see this is turning into a "my wang is bigger than yours" thing again... nice mixes dave ...peace. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 10:55pm |
| Coolness: 340575 | dude, my wang is way fucking bigger than yours. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 10:56pm |
 Coolness: 104245 | Hell no.
My wang is so big it makes Rosy O'donald look small. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue May 16, 2006 @ 11:00pm |
| Coolness: 128675 | nuh uh.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 12:39am |
| Coolness: 104245 | yuh uh... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 6:18am |
 Coolness: 146110 | can we please get back to the subject at hand which is 'how to mix better' |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 12:05pm |
| Coolness: 104245 | yea lets get over the fact that i have the biggest penis on ravewave |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 12:12pm |
 Coolness: 202135 | The bass mixing depends on the tracks really, there are some genres where you could easily mix two sources without totally cutting out the bass on one of them, especially if you are doing a mash-up.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 12:15pm |
| Coolness: 202135 | I have a lot of experience with recording/mixing.. what works in that setting is not neccesarily the same as what works in DJ'ing
If I have one massive gripe with the way some DJ's mix (especially in jungle/breakbeat styles), it is turning the bass way too high, drowning out all the other parts of the song... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 2:20pm |
| Coolness: 84785 | HAHA!!
madforbrad kills me!! and just for the record i never said that i tape my eq's in place... and as far as theory goes... i agree with brad to a certain extent... there are certain guidlines that you should know and follow... but all those rules are made to be broken... "THIS IS NOT AN OPINION" and this applys to all artforms both aural and visual. and what this particular argument comes down too is that you mix with your EARS not with your eyes... ie. madforbrad wrote: grab any audio engineering book. None of you fucks have actually dj'd anywhere except the odd shitty rave with shitty soundsystem that your friends threw. So just shut up already.
Had you fuckfaces actually played on real sound systems , you would know that having 2 bass sources being mixed sounds awfull. You get kick phasing which takes away energy. first off... i'm a club dj not an engineer, i have also played on some pretty decent systems and i've only played 2 raves in my whole life, coincedentaly one of those 2 "shitty raves" rocked the biggest sound system i've ever mixed on and boasted big ass 12' stacks of eaw's... and if memory serves me correct... i think davesob was on the same bill? regardless... i think you should read a little more on phasing... especially from a dj standpoint... because dj's acctually experience 2 different kinds of phasing... 1 that takes away from the sound just like you mentioned above... and 1 that acctually doubles the intensity. it can really go either way depending on the frequency and i firmly believe its best to let your ears be the judge on how it should be eq'ed. not to mention phasing can also be a desired effect... many dj's even rock doubles of the same record to get this effect... the term is called "ghosting" and depending on how you space it you can get an echo or a flanger effect... anyway brad... just outta curiousity... what clubs do YOU dj at? and what kind of music do you play? do you know that different genres tend to be eq'ed differently as well? ie. hip dj's usually only kill the bass to scratch and don't use mids... , dnb can get pretty chaotic with 2 basslines goin full force. and most 4/4 house and minimal techno doesn't require alot of equing at all. so ya... basicly what i'm saying brad, is that talk is cheap... especially in your case... your more than welcome to come mix some records with me sometime if you wanna school me... but until then i'mma file you under "sucker". p.s. this song makes me think of you... here is a clip... [ www.chemical-records.co.uk ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 3:40pm |
| Coolness: 45460 | so let me get this straight
you've played 2 shows ? god damn i guess you know it all. lol for fuck sakes |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 4:25pm |
| Coolness: 84785 | can you read?
i said i've played at only 2 "RAVES" not shows... i think raves are gay and got played out in the 90's i play in bars and clubs all over the city on regular basis... my last few gigs were at kunta lounge, the s.a.t. and mega club saphire... i also play a weekly radio show on [ www.ibreaks.co.uk ] (the #1 breakbeat station in the world) every wensday from 7-10PM montreal time. so ya.. what was i saying? oh yeah... i think i speak for everybody on the board when i say in all modesty that i'm like pretty much the greatest superstar dj to walk the face of this earth!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 5:07pm |
| Coolness: 84785 | BOW TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» davesob replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 5:08pm |
| Coolness: 53865 | Neoform - I'm not talking about lazy djs, I'm talking about djs like Chris Liebing, Dave Clarke, Carl Cox, etc... Alot of these guys are extremely tecnical, but they keep the eqing to a minumum so the sound remains more full. When did I ever mention anything about 120dbs, And like Murdock said, it really changes from genre to genre.
Br34th3, thanks dude, and your right, this debate is getting a little immature. Sometimes I forget that there is really no need to become defensive about an opinion on a message board. This is about sharing ideas about mixing, not tearing apart other peoples OPINIONS. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» davesob replied on Wed May 17, 2006 @ 5:15pm |
| Coolness: 53865 | So back to mixing - Something I found really fun, was tag teaming with my friend and doing really quick mixes. We would give ourselves 64 bars inwhich to mix a track. Usually we would spend about 32 finding the right track and beatmatching it, then the remaining time, doing the mix. Usually we would both keep track of the bars, but the person not mixing would tell the other one when they have 32 bars left and 16. Once the 64 bars is up, your fader has to be all the way to the other side, and the next guy better have a record ready. |
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