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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 1:24am |
 Coolness: 149520 | yeah.. tahts what i said.. they were returned to the PRC
Hong Kong never asked for freedom. Hong Kong was "leased" from China for 99 years beginning on June 30 1898
thereby... 99 years having passed, it was returned on July 1, 1997 but its not independence, just like Labrador, is it gonna gain "independence" from Newfoundland after it;s returned to Quebec? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 1:25am |
| Coolness: 149520 | Originally posted by MDC...
i dont know what country youre thinking of, but the only asian country i could think of is Hong Kong, and let me tell you, they didnt want to be free at all... they would have much rather stayed british... becoming communist again after 99 years of capitalism and freedom and it was on July 1 1997 that they were handed back to teh PRC |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 1:34am |
 Coolness: 92970 | mmm there were mixed feelings on the subject most definitely. A lot of people were very happy about it as well, such as this guy:
On Possession Street, a Mr. Lam, who confessed to 72 years, said: " It's a good thing we can finally get rid of the imperialists. We're all Chinese. I feel great. This land belongs to China." It was independance for Hong Kong, I dunno what you mean by that.. here's an interesting article. [ www.nytimes.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 5:00pm |
 Coolness: 75975 | If independance means suddenly being under the control of the communist regime.. it really depends on the political leanings of the individual, I'm sure many Honk Kong natives weren't looking forward to becoming communists... however, from my understand, the commies let Honk Kong continue running the way it was since it's so damn profitable the way it is. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 5:39pm |
 Coolness: 340370 | My recomendation if/when quebec seperates..
a) withdrawl all canadian military divisions b) move all canada post equipment out of quebec c) destroy all canadian government buildings.. not like anyone in quebec would want some dirty canada building anyway.. d) send a letter to G. W. Bush saying "Doors open boys.." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:34pm |
| Coolness: 75975 | Let's not forget currency... they could recall it all... and what would the financial basis of the new currency be? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:45pm |
 Coolness: 85640 | maple syrop exports, of course |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 7:19pm |
| Coolness: 75975 | Ohh yes... that would be SOLID. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Wed Nov 30, 2005 @ 10:30pm |
 Coolness: 97805 | by the way, no, the Gouvernment of Canada can't refuse the use of the Canadian dollar outisde Canada. The Bank of Canada and the Gouvernment of Canada are two independant seperate things that can't rule one each other. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 1:24am |
| Coolness: 149520 | true
you cannot forbid a country from using your currency also, just to clarify a thing or two about Hong Kong's situation after its return to the PRC (People's Republic of China)... China, after the return of Hong Kong, implemented a "One country, two systems" principles with regards to Hong Kong... for the next 50 years following its return, HKSAR (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region) will remain a capitalist semi-nation.. the only thing that HKSAR doesn't control is themilitary basically... its almost entirely free of China. but back to the topic at hand... quebec could probably fare very well for itself economically if it were its own nation... there would have to be major reforms in the political system of course (since we are teh province that receives the most federal aid and has the least conditions over the federal aid we receive) but any place with natural resouorces (if properly governed and maintained) cannot be poor... everyone needs what we offer. you cannot build anything without the building blocks we have the, what? second largest?, aluminum producing plants on earth? we have cheap renewable energy, we have plenty of forestry and clean, fresh water... i think we'd do fine on our own. but i still dont see why we should have to we'd still heavily rely on canadian trade and US trade. anyhoo.. its late. i have no more energy to invest in this at this moment |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 1:48am |
| Coolness: 75975 | Originally posted by MDC...
true you cannot forbid a country from using your currency also, just to clarify a thing or two about Hong Kong's situation after its return to the PRC (People's Republic of China)... China, after the return of Hong Kong, implemented a "One country, two systems" principles with regards to Hong Kong... for the next 50 years following its return, HKSAR (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region) will remain a capitalist semi-nation.. the only thing that HKSAR doesn't control is themilitary basically... its almost entirely free of China. but back to the topic at hand... quebec could probably fare very well for itself economically if it were its own nation... there would have to be major reforms in the political system of course (since we are teh province that receives the most federal aid and has the least conditions over the federal aid we receive) but any place with natural resouorces (if properly governed and maintained) cannot be poor... everyone needs what we offer. you cannot build anything without the building blocks we have the, what? second largest?, aluminum producing plants on earth? we have cheap renewable energy, we have plenty of forestry and clean, fresh water... i think we'd do fine on our own. but i still dont see why we should have to we'd still heavily rely on canadian trade and US trade. anyhoo.. its late. i have no more energy to invest in this at this moment However, as long as you're using anothe country's currency, you're contributing to that country's economy, in fact, you're actually strengthening it.Meh.. I remember reading about this whole big long reason as to why it's retarded to use another country's currency as your own.. too lazy and tired to try to remember though... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 8:56pm |
 Coolness: 151165 | Martin dismisses Bloc's plan for a 'Team Quebec'
Liberal Leader Paul Martin dismissed a Bloc Quebecois plan that would see superstar hockey players like Mario Lemieux and Vincent Lecavalier play for Team Quebec instead of Team Canada in international tournaments. Released on Wednesday, the Bloc platform includes a plank calling for Quebec national teams to play in international hockey and soccer tournaments. "I would like to see the same rules as those applying to Scotland or Wales or Northern Ireland,'' Duceppe said during a news conference. "They have their own players in the soccer World Cup or the rugby World Cup. If it's possible in Great Britain, it could be possible in Canada.'' Martin responded to Duceppe's proposal at a Montreal press conference on Thursday. "You know, it is amazing. Do you hear Mr. Duceppe talking about the environment? Not really. Do you hear him talking about better health care? Not really. What he is talking about is ... having a hockey team," Martin said. "I suppose that goes with his army and his spies," he joked, referring to Duceppe's wish list that includes an army and intelligence service in an independent Quebec. When a reporter reminded Martin that hockey is a big deal in Quebec, the Grit leader replied that, indeed, "there are a lot of Quebec hockey players who have played for Canada in the Canada Cup, and who play for Canada on all of the world teams ... and they really do very, very well. I think that they are very pleased to play for Canada." Edmonton Tory MP James Rajotte said a separate Quebec team would be unfortunate for not only hockey, but for Canada. "That would be a very symbolic and a very bad thing because Canadians, you know, one thing they can unite around is hockey," Rajotte told CTV in Ottawa. "If they were to see one team in red and white and another team in blue and white, of people that used to play together, I think that would just be a destructive thing emotionally for this country." Rajotte evoked the famous winning goal scored during the 1987 Canada Cup, after Wayne Gretzky passed the puck to Quebec-born Lemieux. "These are the moments that emotionally bind a nation together. And to segment into provinces to be represented on the international stage is certainly a bad idea," he said. "So we obviously in the Conservative party still favour the one-team concept." Also included in Duceppe's election platform is a call for an independent Quebec to use the Olympics to encourage physical fitness. When asked who would play for a Quebec hockey team, Duceppe named three star goalies from the province: Martin Brodeur, Jose Theodore and Roberto Luongo. "Today I'll announce goalies. Tomorrow I'll give you the defence." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 8:57pm |
| Coolness: 151165 | Bloc's Duceppe optimistic about next referendum
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe thinks sovereignists are better-placed for a future Quebec referendum than they were in 1995. "As an example, the leader of the No side among the youth in 1995, Annie Perrault, who ran once as a Tory candidate, said that a lot of people who voted No are questioning themselves," he said Sunday on CTV's Question Period. "And (she) is questioning herself whether she'll vote Yes, or No. So I think it shows that since last ten years, Ottawa was not able to gain support in Quebec while the reverse is true, we're in a better position before the next referendum than we were before the last referendum." The Yes side lost by a mere 50,000 votes 10 years ago. On referendum night in 1995, then-PQ Premier Jacques Parizeau blamed the loss on "money and the ethnic vote." Critics savaged him for that remark. "I think we made a lot of progress with the allophones and the anglophones, because a Quebecer is a Quebecer," Duceppe said. "Any person living in Quebec is a Quebecer with full rights. This is like that in my book. And we took time discussing with the people, explaining them that what we want as a country that a sovereign Quebec is not against Canada. "I don't have anything against Canada, it's a great country. I don't have anything against the Canadian nation. It's a great nation. And I think we'll have better relations by being equal, nation to nation, country to country," he said. However, the provincial Liberals, who are very unpopular right now, don't have to call an election until 2008 -- and the Parti Quebecois must still defeat them before it can call a referendum. "You know, Yogi Berra is my favourite philosopher. The game's over when it's over," Duceppe said. On Sunday, Duceppe and new Parti Quebecois Leader Andre Boisclair held a meeting and joint news conference. Asked on Question Period if he thought Bosclair would be an asset, Duceppe said: "... What is very interesting, I think, is the fact that he received 54 percent of support and the last poll among the population, which is not all PQ members, showed that he was also the choice of 54 percent of the Quebecers. So it means that the numbers within the PQ are the same outside the PQ." Duceppe said he expected the PQ to help the Bloc's campaign in the upcoming federal election. That campaign is expected to be triggered by Nov. 29, with voting day on Jan. 16. Most opinion polls have the Bloc Quebecois riding high in Quebec, with support of at least 50 per cent. Meanwhile, the Liberal Party, the most important federalist option in Quebec, heavily damaged by the sponsorship scandal, is running at least 20 percentage points behind. Asked whether the Bloc could pick off some federal cabinet ministers (Transport Minister Jean Lapierre, Heritage Minister Liza Frulla and Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew), Duceppe said: "Yes, we'll work very hard. And there is also Jacques Saada and Pierre Paradis and Madame Folco's riding, and ridings in around Ottawa, in the Gatineau and so on. We'll be fighting very hard in those places." The Liberals won 21 seats last year and the Bloc 54. Duceppe said he was optimistic the party could do better. Asked what he thought Liberal strategy would be in the forthcoming campaign, Duceppe said: "Years ago they tried to buy votes by, with the AdScam, and now they're trying to buy votes with a so-called budget. So they're always trying to buy someone with our own money. "That's a very typical Liberal way of acting and I think people are realizing that not only in Quebec, but also in Canada," he said. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 8:58pm |
| Coolness: 151165 | Bloc's Duceppe prepared to talk sovereignty
OTTAWA — Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe has kicked off his federal election campaign by saying he won't be scared to talk about sovereignty between now and Jan. 23. "Because of Liberal corruption and the sponsorship scandal, a new election campaign had become unavoidable,'' Duceppe said Tuesday, shortly after Prime Minister Paul Martin announced the election date. "Our Liberal opponents want us to talk about our project for the future of Quebec -- and we will.'' But Duceppe, whose party will be hoping to at least equal the 54 seats it won in 2004, cautioned that the sovereignty issue won't be decided until an independence referendum. "Quebecers know this isn't a referendum-election but rather a federal election.'' Liberal strategy in Quebec during the lengthy campaign will be clear: to portray a vote for the Bloc as a boost for the Parti Quebecois to regain power in the next provincial election and hold another referendum. Duceppe did not give a direct answer when asked whether a decisive Bloc victory would constitute a "winning condition'' for sovereignty. "I never discuss strategy openly like that but I will tell you one thing: `It's always better to win.''' Duceppe, who is entering his fourth campaign as leader of the sovereigntist party, believes Andre Boisclair's recent Parti Quebecois leadership victory will help increase the number of Bloc MPs in the Commons. "The Parti Quebecois has a lot of new members,'' Duceppe noted. "Andre Boisclair campaigned everywhere in Quebec and, as per usual (for a PQ leader), will contribute to the Bloc campaign.'' The Bloc leader said he isn't worried if the Liberals boast during the campaign about their economic record over the years. Duceppe said he's ready to discuss the softwood lumber dispute and what he calls a $48-billion "misappropriation of funds'' from the EI program that has gone into the government's general revenue fund. He also reiterated previous Bloc comments that the party will support the future federal government -- regardless of whether it is formed by the Conservatives or the Liberals -- on a case-by-case basis and only if it benefits Quebecers. Despite constantly attacking the Liberals for lacking the moral authority required to govern, Duceppe admitted that won't be the case if they're re-elected. Duceppe kicked things off slowly Tuesday and was the only major leader not to have a public campaign event. On Wednesday, the party will unveil its platform in Montreal. Its posters and slogan are not yet ready and will be made public next week. The Bloc will hold a general council meeting in Montreal on the weekend and will leave the city only next Tuesday. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 10:09pm |
| Coolness: 97805 | Duceppe's the man! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Dec 1, 2005 @ 10:29pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | He's a fucking moron. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Fri Dec 2, 2005 @ 2:11am |
| Coolness: 149520 | agreed |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Sat Dec 10, 2005 @ 2:49pm |
| Coolness: 97805 | Found this on another board:
--- Il était une fois, un couple de 25 ans. Ce couple est autonome financièrement et chacun d'eux travaille. Les deux occupent un poste dans le même domaine. Ils ont un salaire presque identique. Voici arrivé le jour de la paye. Le chum reçoit son chèque. Bien évidemment, il utilisera cet argent pour ses dépenses : c'est grâce à cet argent-ci que monsieur gagne sa vie. Madame aussi reçoit sa paye. MAIS, une entente lie le couple. Cette entente prévoit que, à chaque semaine, madame devra donner la moitié de sa paye à monsieur, et ce, aussi longtemps que le couple sera ensemble. Elle devra donc subsister uniquement avec la moitié de sa paye. Le montant qui lui reste est tout juste suffisant pour vivre. Par contre, il est prévu dans l'entente que monsieur devra utiliser l'argent de sa blonde pour l'aider à vivre. Mais monsieur a le plein contrôle de la moitié de l'argent de sa copine : il a tout le loisir de décider pour sa blonde de tout se qu'elle aura de besoin. Le chum est intelligent. Il a vite compris que s'il ne dépensait pas intégralement la paye de madame, il allait pouvoir accumuler des surplus pour lui. Le chum devient donc de plus en plus riche... et sa blonde de plus en plus pauvre. Bien des années plus tard, l'homme a le plein contrôle financier du couple. Madame ne va pas très bien. Elle aimerait retourner aux études, mais elle n'a plus d'argent : il ne lui en reste que juste assez pour vivre. De plus, madame depuis quelque temps est très malade. Elle n'a plus de sous pour vivre et son chum, pour s'enrichir, refuse de payer le plein prix des médicaments. De toute évidence, il se fout visiblement de sa blonde. Monsieur a coupé a madame l'éducation et la santé, car cela coûtait trop cher. Madame est intelligente aussi, et par deux fois, elle se choqua et décida de quitter monsieur. TROP C'EST TROP ! C'est alors que l'attitude du chum changeât du tout au tout. Étrangement, il devint attentioné, il se mis à genoux pour ne pas qu'elle parte, il lui fit une tonne de promesses. Mais, surtout, il lui promit de reparler de l'entente. Il lui a fait comprendre qu'elle était indispensable... La pauvre céda à son charme, mais il en fallut de peu pour qu'elle parte pour de vrai. Surtout la deuxième fois. Pourtant, dès le lendemain les promesses n'existaient plus. Tous les " je t'aime " avaient disparu. Comme il n'a jamais voulu renégocier l'entente, elle dut continuer à donner la moitié de son revenu à son chum... Elle s'est donc fait avoir DEUX FOIS DE SUITE. LA MORALE DE CETTE HISTOIRE : Vous devez sans doute croire que madame est folle de continuer a vivre dans ces conditions là ? Vous devez vous dire : " Mon dieu, madame devrait le sacrer là, elle n'a pas besoin de quelqu'un pour décider à sa place de l'utilisation de son argent ". Et bien, présentement LE QUÉBEC subit le même sort que madame. Nous cédons la moitié de nos revenus à Ottawa, et c'est Ottawa qui décide pour nous de la gestion de nos revenus. Le gouvernement fédéral ne nous redonne qu'une partie de l'argent que nous lui avons envoyé, ce qui leur permet d'accumuler des milliards de dollars en surplus. Pendant ce temps, la province n'a plus d'argent pour financer la SANTÉ et l'ÉDUCATION. Alors, s'il est bon pour madame de quitter son chum... il sera aussi bon pour le QUÉBEC de quitter le CANADA. Au lieu d'un budget de 50 milliards $, pourquoi ne pas garder nos revenus pour nous et utiliser l'intégralité de nos 90 milliards de $. Prenons le contrôle de notre destinée. Madame a passé proche deux fois de quitter son chum, et les deux fois elle a eu droit à des promesses fallacieuses. Le QUÉBEC aussi a passé proche à deux reprises de quitter le Canada. Nous n'avons eût nous aussi que du vent dans les belles promesses d'Ottawa. On nous a dit indispensable avant le référendum, mais nous n'existons plus le lendemain de la victoire du NON. Qui sera assez bête pour continuer à croire en Ottawa ? Alors si tu étais de ceux qui ne voyait pas de bon côté à la souveraineté, j'espere que tu a pris le temps de réfléchir. Au prochain RÉFÉRENDUM... je vote OUI ! Si ce message te touche, et que tu désires appuyer la cause de la souveraineté du QUÉBEC, envoie-le à tes contacts et propage ce vent de liberté. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Dec 10, 2005 @ 5:52pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | hahahahaha, what a bullshit story.
I'VE CONVERTED! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Dec 10, 2005 @ 5:53pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | you might say, he's a "born again yes-man" hahahah |
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