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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed Nov 9, 2005 @ 9:18pm |
 Coolness: 151165 | I guess that reflects the opinnion of, I dunno, maybe... one person!
Actually, the best way to preserve the french language is to have it taught in schools. Which is what they are doing with Bill 101 as well as the French immersion programs. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed Nov 9, 2005 @ 9:19pm |
| Coolness: 151165 | But seriously Fred, Steamies and Poutine is our best export, ever!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Wed Nov 9, 2005 @ 10:03pm |
 Coolness: 97805 | yeah, even the prime minister of russia was influenced by our poutine! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Wed Nov 9, 2005 @ 11:26pm |
 Coolness: 85640 | Originally posted by MICO!...
I guess that reflects the opinnion of, I dunno, maybe... one person! Actually, the best way to preserve the french language is to have it taught in schools. Which is what they are doing with Bill 101 as well as the French immersion programs. they're doin far more w/ 101 than having french taught in school... dont forget all the tax money squandered w/ the OLF, they're also *forcing* kids to go to french school if their parents didnt go to english school in Quebec. Cuz you know, you cant learn French in an English school.. thats not good enough regardless of the fact that everyone i know did. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Nov 10, 2005 @ 12:16am |
 Coolness: 92970 | I'm english and I agree with bill 101 as well as the school law.. those two thigns are the only reason our province is actually french. If you look at ANY other place in North America that used to be french, none of them actually are anymore. None. At most they cling to their french heritage like there's no tommorow.. there are those places in New Brunswick but they are only so french cause they are so close to us and they probably all are us. I woulda been better off if I had suffered through french school anyway, but I didn't since my parents went to english school.. they are almost giving seniority, past a certain point, to english families who have been goign to english school before the law was set and that way all the foreigners will have to learn french. Makes sense. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Nov 10, 2005 @ 12:18am |
| Coolness: 92970 | Originally posted by NO_COMPLY...
Originally posted by Mico!...
.Cuz you know, you cant learn French in an English school.. thats not good enough regardless of the fact that everyone i know did. You don't learn shit for french in english school. Walk into any given english highschool and try to talk to the kids in french... they don't even wanna know. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Nov 10, 2005 @ 12:26am |
 Coolness: 340370 | The same can be said about french schools and english. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Nov 10, 2005 @ 12:28am |
| Coolness: 92970 | yeah, definitely, but I still think more french people that are good in english than english people good in french and that's cause most french people watch their T.V, movies, and video games in english, cause they always say it's better in the original language. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Fri Nov 11, 2005 @ 12:37pm |
 Coolness: 149520 | Originally posted by MOONDANCER...
I'm english and I agree with bill 101 as well as the school law.. those two thigns are the only reason our province is actually french. If you look at ANY other place in North America that used to be french, none of them actually are anymore. None. At most they cling to their french heritage like there's no tommorow.. there are those places in New Brunswick but they are only so french cause they are so close to us and they probably all are us. I woulda been better off if I had suffered through french school anyway, but I didn't since my parents went to english school.. they are almost giving seniority, past a certain point, to english families who have been goign to english school before the law was set and that way all the foreigners will have to learn french. Makes sense. wow... did you even finish high school? i thought everyone HAD to pass that sec.3 MEQ history exam in order to do so.... quebec was the ONLY french place IN canada minus a few metis in the plains and the acadians in nova scotia/new brunswick (but they were forcibly removed and shoved in the souther US, cajun = bastardisation of acadian) and let me tell you, new brunswick doesnt do SHIT to preserve french and all the acadians there still speak french, and they're PROUD to do so... they dont force feed it to anyone.... there are practically no quebecers in new brunswick as for the metis, well they were half-breeds anyway and their cultural heritage is so diverse they dont specifically care about their french all that much anyway, i'm done with that but i agree that immigrants MUST learn french AND english if they want to live here and stop fucking sucking our social welfare programs into oblivion they wanna live here? learn our fucking language |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Sat Nov 12, 2005 @ 6:06am |
 Coolness: 75975 | Seriously.. if not... go to ontario. I had this big conversation with a seperatist recently and I completely agree... live in Quebec, learn both languages... straight up. I'm not the best in french, but I can read and understand it perfectly, write passably, and speak even better (not perfect, but I can communicate)... and my family is as english as they come. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sat Nov 12, 2005 @ 12:57pm |
| Coolness: 151165 | Oh yeah, I forgot to thank Sophia for being the only person to actually give her views about the situation now in Ottawa, rather than having the old French vs. Englsih debate or speculating about what may or may not happen should Quebec ever have the opportunity to suceede and actuallly get the 50+1 votes, even after the House of Commons rejects the whole referendum as unclear because nobody understands what the "economic partnership with Canada" means, because I mean... that's what would happen right? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sat Nov 12, 2005 @ 1:41pm |
| Coolness: 151165 | Originally posted by NO_COMPLY...
they're doin far more w/ 101 than having french taught in school... dont forget all the tax money squandered w/ the OLF, they're also *forcing* kids to go to french school if their parents didnt go to english school in Quebec. Cuz you know, you cant learn French in an English school.. thats not good enough regardless of the fact that everyone i know did. Yes, yes, red tape makes waste of taxpayers money. But anyways, the deal with "the children of bill 101" was to make sure that, any and all, immegrants -and their children- coming into Quebec were to (obviously) go through a french school system. Keep in mind that Quebec has the highest amount of Allophones in North America. Imagine if all of a sudden, everysingle one of the Chinese stores started displaying their products in Chinese characters? What if all Jewish Bakerys marked their stores in Hebrew? Already as it is, we have little communities all over the city -china town; little italy; quartier portugais and Outremont! Where people segregate themselves, and because of that, when immigrants raise their children, they're taught the language the parent knows and whatever slang the kid picks up from the street, which may or not be french... most of the time "C q d'la ostie d'joile." (Which is Ironic) For example: If you go into Laval. There you will find a huge Greek community, living along side a equally as large Jewish community. Without bill 101, they could just push the french language aside, and go about running their businesses as if it were Greece or Israel and not La Ville de Laval. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 6:51am |
| Coolness: 92970 | Originally posted by MDC...
Originally posted by moondancer...
I'm english and I agree with bill 101 as well as the school law.. those two thigns are the only reason our province is actually french. If you look at ANY other place in North America that used to be french, none of them actually are anymore. None. At most they cling to their french heritage like there's no tommorow.. there are those places in New Brunswick but they are only so french cause they are so close to us and they probably all are us. I woulda been better off if I had suffered through french school anyway, but I didn't since my parents went to english school.. they are almost giving seniority, past a certain point, to english families who have been goign to english school before the law was set and that way all the foreigners will have to learn french. Makes sense. wow... did you even finish high school? i thought everyone HAD to pass that sec.3 MEQ history exam in order to do so.... quebec was the ONLY french place IN canada minus a few metis in the plains and the acadians in nova scotia/new brunswick (but they were forcibly removed and shoved in the souther US, cajun = bastardisation of acadian) and let me tell you, new brunswick doesnt do SHIT to preserve french and all the acadians there still speak french, and they're PROUD to do so... they dont force feed it to anyone.... there are practically no quebecers in new brunswick as for the metis, well they were half-breeds anyway and their cultural heritage is so diverse they dont specifically care about their french all that much anyway, i'm done with that but i agree that immigrants MUST learn french AND english if they want to live here and stop fucking sucking our social welfare programs into oblivion they wanna live here? learn our fucking language I honestly can't comprehend what you saw in my post that was contrary to anything you just said. I did say all the places in North America that used to be french besides NB weren't french anymore, and if you think Quebec and NB are the only places in North America that were ever french, YOU need a history lesson. They are not even the only places in Canada either, by the way. There are still french areas in Ontario(Hearst, Kapuskasing, and others) and Magdalen island. In the states there is Louisianna and god knows what else. Louisianna hasn't been french for a loong long time. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 6:53am |
| Coolness: 92970 | There are places in mother fucking Saskatchewan that used to be french. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 6:54am |
| Coolness: 92970 | and I'm sure the only reason french still exists in NB, is cause no one wants to live in disgusting towns like Edmunston. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 7:05am |
| Coolness: 92970 | Thanks Mico, I stand by bill 101, but I still can't formulate an opinion on seperatism. All in all it would be a bad idea for the immediate future, for at least a generation, but god knows after that. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 1:06pm |
| Coolness: 149520 | uh no.
first off, louisiana is only frnech because the acadians were forced to move there after the Treaty of Utrecht (1713) when they were given one year to declare loyalty tothe british or get out.. and once war broke out between the english and the french in the 1750s, the english were angry at the acadians (who never swore allegiance) so they chose to go to louisiana because it was still under frnech control (at the time, it was sold to the english to support napoleon's war efforts in europe in like 1788 or somethign) and of the french "colonies" elsewhere in canada that you mentioned, i think only one was founded before 1940, kapuskasing, it was founded in like 1913 or something, originally as an internment camp for prisoners during WWI and the colonies that you claim were in saskatchewan were metis, a mix of french and natives who never really held any ties to french pride. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 4:59pm |
| Coolness: 92970 | Who cares why they were french? They were french. Why would metis be any happier to be over-run by english? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 5:06pm |
| Coolness: 92970 | Assimilation is almost inevitable in these situatons, where the main proprietor of a place, be it an emperor, a king, a prime minister or whatever the fuck, is from a different heritage, suggests all of world history. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 8:01pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | French or english it really doesn't matter.
If you're french and don't want to speak english, do it. It's your own loss.. but whatever, forcing others however to speak it is stupid. |
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