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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Spinner replied on Sat Dec 10, 2005 @ 9:46pm |
 Coolness: 77875 | Bleh...its still true though.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Sat Dec 10, 2005 @ 9:55pm |
 Coolness: 147030 | it may be true but there are so many other parameters... i'm not really directly concerned since i'm not canadian, i don't have a sufficient grasp on the situation, i'm not pro- nor con-separatists, but... you have to ponder so many things before making your decision ! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun Dec 11, 2005 @ 1:03am |
 Coolness: 340370 | yeah, like "do I really want a government that has one sole mission? That has no other plans than seperation from Canada? A government that will ignore ALL other problems just so they can make Quebec a more 'distinguished' society in the world?" ... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Sun Dec 11, 2005 @ 4:50am |
 Coolness: 153760 | "TQS... parce qu'on n'est différent!" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Sun Dec 11, 2005 @ 4:50am |
| Coolness: 153760 | lol... what?! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Sun Dec 11, 2005 @ 12:20pm |
 Coolness: 85640 | i love how some ppl are only Canadian when its time to collect an EI cheque |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» kwickStah replied on Sun Dec 11, 2005 @ 10:12pm |
 Coolness: 66250 | i think you all scared.. Le Québec doit savoir si les gens sont pret a etre un pays avant de faire des plans sinon c'est inutile de commencer a en faire pour rien on dirais que le gens sont jamais content messemble que c'est pas normal qu'on offre a un peuple la chance de peut-être être indépendant et de la refuser... on est un peuple faible depuis trop longtemps.. On est absolument comme mr.Frog l'a si bien montré exactement comme une femme manipulé par l'homme qu'elle croit aimer... Vous pensez que le Canada fait quoi pour nous? Arretez d'avoir peur, votez oui et laissons-nous dont la chance de voir si on peut s'occupper de nous même.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 12:11am |
| Coolness: 85640 | and if we cant? just say "oops, oh well someone will bail us out"? sorry no, its not fear its realism. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 1:35am |
| Coolness: 340370 | I don't fear it at all, since i know it wont happen. Quebec does not have the ability to stand alone, nor would it be a better place if any seperation would be attemtped..
hey here's an idea, why don't all you seperatists go join the FLQ and go murder/kidnap some english politians.. ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Spinner replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 9:59am |
| Coolness: 77875 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
I hey here's an idea, why don't all you seperatists go join the FLQ and go murder/kidnap some english politians.. ? Mm ,havent though of that. Interesting.. Quebec just needs a good leader,And the ppls trust for 5 years,then well see change , In pollitic nothing happens in the firts mandate uselly,And Charest manage to bypass that rule ,by fuckin up student loans , Not hearing les syndicaliste,Thats like ignoring the ppl,Scandales...Giving welfare to mexican worker that work here for 2 months then go back home and get the *cheeze* the rest of the year.Need more? (Nothing agains Mexican) I woulndt even be surprise if one day they said they sold canada out to the states,just so they could have t here fair share of the deal ..*Que-Ching$*Americain S.V.P -Possitive : They saved the shirners YAY! Now thats what i call setting out prioritys...,asside from full houses hospitals,families whit 5 kids getting 500$ a month,Our teacher being underpaid and that doest even have equity... Guess they had to do atleast sommething good to get on the sommewhat good side of the medias... Quebec is living is a big lie right now... Ppl need to wake up and stop feeling so treathen about The PQ party,its not agains u,its agains them... For the best of us ,not them , Neo join us |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 12:00pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | I'd vote for the PQ, if they wheren't:
a) so incompetent b) seperatists c) such idiots with spending (they blow cash on the stupidest ideas/things) Now, before you jump on me and say "Oh the liberals are soooo much better eh?", no they're not. But I'd rather have them (since they're not seperatists) in power than the PQ. Not that I'm overly afraid of the PQ actually managing to suceed.. but they're the ones who love to push bullshit like bill 101.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Spinner replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 12:12pm |
| Coolness: 77875 | 101 is heritage preserving ....
Too an extreme yes... But youd feel the samme if says u were in a english village and u had hole bunch of french collonising,u woulndt mind the french being there , but u would find it suck says one day u take your car and instead of being mark Stop ,its says Arret ....No ? ppl exagerate whit 101 ,its not that much of a big deal.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 12:40pm |
 Coolness: 97805 | bill 101 was necessary and is still is to keep what we got. Bill 101 was not only meant to counter the progression of English in Quebec, but also of Italian, Greek, Hebrew. People that were coming in Quebec never had to speak/understand a single word of French before that time. (still, some people are still like that, but it's better than before the 80's).
And, for your information, Robert Bourrassa, Daniel Jonhson and Jean Charest, as liberals and ultra-federalists they were/are, never removed the Bill 101, there was only a small amendment to soften it a bit. And if you still think that Bill 101 is a piece of shit, it's a proof that you don't understand anything about the rest of the province. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 1:13pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | Bill 101 is necessary to help repress french youth. it forces them to stay in quebec their entire lives.
if it wasn't for bill 101 french students wouldn't be so damned horrible at speaking a second language. (and don't give me examples of people from montreal, most montrealers are fluent in english and french, i'm talking about the other 5.5 million people in this province.) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 1:26pm |
| Coolness: 97805 | I already post serveral posts on this... I don't want to restart again.
before Bill 101, billingual (french-english) people in Quebec were almost non-existant. I don't know how you associate education and bill 101. Go outside of this country, somewhere where you don't have to hear and to speak french for like 3-4 years, and come back here to try to have a complete discussion in french, you'll see, it's difficult. I spoke german a bit 3-4 years ago, now I can barely read a menu and understand price. There's almost no anglophone outside Montreal, Sherbrooke and Gatineau-Hull, how will people practice english after school? I'm coming from a town where there was like 1 anglophone in a town of 5000 people. It's quite hard to speak english often in this kind of situtation. A language is learned with practicing, whatever language it is. I went in Japan, 2 years ago, I was starting to understand few words and few symbols, now I don't remember half of what I learned there, never had the chance to practice it enough. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 2:27pm |
| Coolness: 340370 | Really? Non existant? I'll go tell my mother that she's not actual biligual then, as well as her 5 other siblings.
You wanna know why people in other parts of quebec see no english at all? because of lovely laws like bill 101 that make it almost illegal to have a business operate in any other language operate in anything but french. go ahead, try and register a company in quebec in a language other than french. you can't. try and fill out any quebec government form in the other official canadian language.. they wont let you, it'll be in french again. do you ever stop and wonder WHY it is that there's no english people anywhere else in quebec? cause it's so damned obvious that they're not welcome there that none of them dare go anywhere else. bill 101 IS repressing french people, you're just too fucking blind to see it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 2:49pm |
| Coolness: 97805 | well, the official language of Quebec is French, as far as I know. And culture/language is a provincial responsability in the constitution as far as I know. I think we must respect the local language of any State and we must respect their government to try to protect it.
And why is there almost no french speaking people outside NB and Quebec? And why do most of them have an horrible accent and don't speak clearly like Stepen Harper 2-4 years ago? It's a bilingual country here, english education is repressing all canadians by not giving any French course, (except in the few French school out there). They are just too fucking blind to see it!! ;) It's like, what the hell are you talking about? Why do speaking a perfect english is so necessary everywhere in Quebec? Explain me why? Because it's the business language? Sure, and people all have English courses at school, if they absolutely need to speak and understand english, they will, even with a big Quebecer accent. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» kwickStah replied on Mon Dec 12, 2005 @ 3:44pm |
| Coolness: 66250 | dj neoform, are you madforbrad?? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Dec 13, 2005 @ 12:33am |
| Coolness: 340370 | Originally posted by MR. FROG...
well, the official language of Quebec is French, as far as I know. And culture/language is a provincial responsability in the constitution as far as I know. I think we must respect the local language of any State and we must respect their government to try to protect it. And why is there almost no french speaking people outside NB and Quebec? And why do most of them have an horrible accent and don't speak clearly like Stepen Harper 2-4 years ago? It's a bilingual country here, english education is repressing all canadians by not giving any French course, (except in the few French school out there). They are just too fucking blind to see it!! ;) It's like, what the hell are you talking about? Why do speaking a perfect english is so necessary everywhere in Quebec? Explain me why? Because it's the business language? Sure, and people all have English courses at school, if they absolutely need to speak and understand english, they will, even with a big Quebecer accent. is it shocking to know that there aren't that many french people in the rest of canada? why would it be? there's like what, 340million people in the US and Canada.. of that.. what.. 7-8 million french? gosh, i can't possibly figure out why there would be no pockets of french people other than in quebec and nb.. ? Quebec can dream all it wants in it's little bubble, but the reality is it's part of north america, and untill it finds the technology to become an island and float away, it's going to have to deal with it. ps. no i'm not madforbrad. i don't do fake accounts. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Tue Dec 13, 2005 @ 12:53am |
| Coolness: 97805 | alright, so let's be assimileted to not be on our on island.
BTW, Finland has a population of 5.2 millions, all citizens speak Finnish and Swedish (non official language, second language like here), and Russian, as a thrid language (not all speak it). Sweden has a population of 8.9 millions and they speak Swedish and English (as a second language). Norway has a population of 4.5 millions and they speak norwegian and English, as a second language. Danmark as population of 5.3 millions and they speak Danish and English, as a second language. Now, explain me, in your theory, how do theses country can survive in a continent of 728 millions, where most influences comes from Russia and Germany, and almost not speaking any of their languages? You don't need to speak all fucking languages to have a job, do import/export and having a rich government. Theses country are part of Europe, have small population and their own language and they are described as the best living quality countries, even if they had some serious economic difficulties years ago (ie: Finland). Having our own country doesn't mean to kick out everything that is not Québecois outside, doesn't mean to stop import/export, doesn't mean to stop speaking to our neighbors, doesn't mean to stop trading anything, doesn't mean to stop living, doesn't mean to speak only French, doesn't mean to stop broadcasting english TV/radio, ... So I don't understand your point, not at all. As you said, with a 7 millions people, we would take our own decision in the North America, regarding our own interests, we wouldn't have to suffer of the decision made for a country that care about us only when they are about to lose us. |
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