National Unity
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 12:42pm |
 Coolness: 102885 | Originally posted by @TRIX...
It's like Ralph Wiggum trying to become a Navy SEAL. hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 12:57pm |
 Coolness: 149495 | ok..
wow... Quebec, by the way, could VERY EASILY, survive on its own. not that im saying tat it should, but it has te capacity to. also, quebec is not badly run, people here are whiny litle bitches who complain about everything.. we have it better here than any other province in canada... we get EVERYTHING, and for free to boot. im sick of everyone complaining about how bad everything is here.. our only problem is that everyone (very much like you) is ultra-critical about everything and our pussyfoot leaders (Charest, Bouchard, Parizeau, all the others before too) just give in to the stupid media... if i were to put a picture of Charest on te front page of my own newspaper that i print in my garage and that only one other person reads, the guy would probably come to my house and give me a grant and blow job... we have it great here and everyones a whiner... our government is like our sports teams... everyone is way too critical and can't just be happy we have one |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nitrous_N2O replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 2:14pm |
 Coolness: 126105 | VIVE LE QUEBEC OESTIE !!!
IL EST TEMPS DE DEVENIR UN PAYS !!! A QUAND UN AUTRE RÉFÉRENDUM !!! FINIS LES CROSSES DU GOUVERNEMENT CENTRAL CANADIEN !!! (COMMANDITES) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GAK replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 2:49pm |
 Coolness: 51745 | hahhahaahahhahahah |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 2:54pm |
 Coolness: 340345 | i wonder if the quebec government thinks that a 50.01% yes vote for seperation means that the people of quebec want to have their own country....... ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GAK replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 2:59pm |
| Coolness: 51745 | yup, dum ass
50% + 1 vote is democratic... don;t change the rules |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 3:27pm |
| Coolness: 340345 | oh yeah? silly me, i totally forgot that it's unconstitutional for a province to seperate from canada.... woopsiedoodle! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 4:54pm |
 Coolness: 55970 | MDC, I usually agree with your posts as they are every insightful. I don't know what your background is, but you have a consistent logic that I've liked. Have you ever lived outside of Quebec for a significant period of time?
However, attributes of Quebec that you mentioned are not exclusively Quebecois. Infact, all the freebies enjoyed here exist everywhere, only under better administration. Free health care? You get that everywhere, only Quebec has the longest waiting periods, the most paperwork for doctors, and the highest emmigration of provincially trained doctors (in otherwords they jumping a sinking ship for Ontario, Alberta, and the US as soon as QC gives them their MD). I just got my health card for Quebec and the thing has already cost me $400 because Quebec doesn't have the right doctors for me to see and I can only find them in Ontario, so I gotta pay up front and then file a report to get my money back in 6-8 weeks. Quebec highways are second worst to the arctic territories with the highest commuter death rate in Canada. Quebec's public schools are a tragedy next to the rest of Canada, and even the private schools like LCC are a pale mockery of their Ontario counterparts like UCC. University is certainly cheaper, but not for very much longer, hence the protests last year. Every one of QUebecs labour unions is in some form of strike, from labourers to teachers to doctors and nurses. Not a good sign for happy shiney people. And, sadly, most of the resources Quebec is proud of (lumber, James Bay Hydro, fresh water) are owned and operated under federal government. The only thing that would change would be quebec's cut of the income would bypass the provincial government and go right to the hands of private federal contractors, not into public works. Quebec still has it's other industries I suppose. But if you think the Canadian government will let go of those enormous forms of income without a fight, you're naive. And Quebec wouldn't have an army to protect itself or its resources if it wanted to. Any other shining examples of Quebecs greatness? And remember, when the troops are complaining, it means they are happy. And yes, Quebec has been lead by some pretty shitty leaders. But Quebec has also produced Canada's greatest prime ministers. That I find interesting. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 17, 2005 @ 11:05pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 2:40am |
 Coolness: 510240 | I wouldn't eat there much less.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 7:33am |
| Coolness: 149495 | Originally posted by @TRIX...
MDC, I usually agree with your posts as they are every insightful. thanks :) But in regards to the rest of your post, I agree that everything we have here is also in teh rest of Canada. I have, indeed, not lived outside of Quebec ever in my life, but I have traveled across Canada. While I agree with you that health care here is a mockery, what I am saying is that it isn't always the government's fault. Emergency room waiting times are high because there is about 900 people who go to the emergency room for a cold every day. These people are stupid and waste time and money. It's probably the government's fault for not implementing some type of better triage system, or informing people that emergency rooms are for emergencies, but still. My point here is that many people in Quebec complain more than they should. The roads, oh don't talk to me about the roads!! I've worked for the Ministry of Transports of Quebec (and I'm a Civil Engineer). I know all about the roads. Quebec (until the late 90s) had a policy of job creation. They built cheap roads to create jobs and keep jobs (because of raod decay and hence patch ups). Only in the last 8 or 9 years has the QC government begun building roads that will last us more than 3 years. You might have noticed the Trans-Canada Highway (the 40) is now almost entirely built out of cement (and well done for once, they dug 11 feet deep!! YAY). You are completely right about the roads (thought the extra job creation did help Quebec have one of the highest standars of living in Canada.. a good thing? I don't know). If you're going to criticize the government, criticize about stupid policies, not ones that actually try to help. They're doing what they can, I'm sure that they're well aware taht we are the future voters, they want to appease us. But our leaders need more minerals. You said it, Quebec has produced many of the best Prime Ministers Canada has ever had. So why can't Quebec Premiers follow suit? Why can't they have balls and say: "Just watch me." No, instead they're pushovers. I really lost track of where I was going with this since I'm presently at work and can't really focus. But, I guess I'm sticking up for the QC Gov't because no one else will. I still thing they're doing a good enough job. Also, about the Crown Corporations in Quebec, if Quebec were to separate, it would take exactly 3.2 seconds for all those to become Quebec owned companies. One word: Nationalization. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 7:36am |
| Coolness: 149495 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
oh yeah? silly me, i totally forgot that it's unconstitutional for a province to seperate from canada.... woopsiedoodle! This matter went to the Supreme Court of Canada. The outcome was that, while it was unconstitutional for Quebec to separate rom the rest of Canada, if they wanted to, Canada should not stop them. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 8:54am |
 Coolness: 159800 | Emergency room waiting times are high because there is about 900 people who go to the emergency room for a cold every day. These people are stupid and waste time and money. It's probably the government's fault for not implementing some type of better triage system, or informing people that emergency rooms are for emergencies, but still. My point here is that many people in Quebec complain more than they should.
Well for this system to work, we'd need for people to be LESS stupid. Unless we find a cure for that, this problem will NOT go away and will get worse if Quebec is on its own. I agree with wishing for the best but this utopian fantasy isn't gonna be happening soon. I've got 3 years experience in Customer Service to prove that. Besides, Health Care is free in other provinces and I'm pretty certain there are just as many idiots running to the emergency rooms there...but again with better management and faster treatment time, it doesn't make it into newspapers. If you're going to criticize the government, criticize about stupid policies, not ones that actually try to help. They're doing what they can, I'm sure that they're well aware taht we are the future voters, they want to appease us. But our leaders need more minerals. You said it, Quebec has produced many of the best Prime Ministers Canada has ever had. So why can't Quebec Premiers follow suit? Why can't they have balls and say: "Just watch me." No, instead they're pushovers.
Remember, Quebecers are stupid lazy whiners, right ? If I look at our provincial government, that's EXACTLY what I'm seeing there. A bunch of stupid lazy whiners. And regarding policies, who comes up with them ? Us guys and gals of the people or those in power ? So, if they are doing what they can now and the health care system is still as shitty as it is now WITH THE HELP OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I fail to believe how this could improve if you pull the plug on federal funding. It sounds totally illogical to me. But, I guess I'm sticking up for the QC Gov't because no one else will. I still thing they're doing a good enough job.
Well, if no one else will stick up for them, shouldn't that be some sort of an indication ? Dude, I sympathize with you. It would work IF people weren't so stupid AND whiny AND the provincial government did what they were elected to do AND money wasn't so tight AND politicians would get their heads out of their high-paid asses... Wishful thinking but hey, we are allowed to dream, right ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 9:48am |
| Coolness: 149495 | Originally posted by ::PIXELIZED::...
And regarding policies, who comes up with them ? Us guys and gals of the people or those in power ? No... we (and by we, I mean you (and by you, I mean all the people who protest stupidities and cause more problems than they solve)) do. If there weren't morons protesting everything everywhere ALL THE FUCKING TIME, things would be much better. If the government didn't always give in to 3 shit disturbers yelling real loud, things wouldn't be so easy. If it was harder to get things, people wouldn't complain about it. Fuck this... I'm not gonna explain myself on this one. I don't have the patience. People are idiots, not the government. Go, do better. I dare you. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 11:59am |
| Coolness: 55970 | But the government is made up from candidates from the Idiot People Population! Quebec is run piss-poorly and if you ever move out to another province (not visit...I'm talking about working, paying taxes, using civil services, etc...) and you will instantly notice a difference in how services are administered. Canada is a G8 nation. Quebec is more reflective of what we see in countries like Romania, East Germany, Brazil, and maybe Italy: Almost there, but coming off hard times.
I'm speaking as someone whose roots are here in Montreal. Most of my family is buried in Mont Royal. The ones who aren't dead are living much better lives in Canada and the US. People simply get paid more in other provinces. I'm a teacher, but I'm getting paid $15K less than I'd be getting in Ontario where I trained. I'm sorry MDC, you gotta look into how Quebec would be drawn up after separtaion. There are pockets of people, communities, who will refuse to agree to a new nation of Quebec. In West Quebec, a place called Pontiac County have made it clear they're Canadian would continue to pay their taxes to Ottawa. It is their right to do so. If Quebec tried to enforce any laws, they would violently refuse. They've done it before. When the language police tried to enforce Bill 101 on the signs in Shawville, they were met by a number of shot-gun toting pick-up trucks and told that they could leave of their own accord, by car or on foot. Even the local SQ police told them to fuck off. Effectively, in order to enforce the law the quebec government would need to call on the army. Ottawa pretty much laughed at Quebec and said the army is not here to enforce local by-law. Obviously the army is only here to clear Toronto streets of snow. The point is, if Quebec seperated, there would be an instant civil war at dozens of locations like Pontiac and Montreal, and Canada would be backing up one of the factions. Even if Quebec could keep all of their crown corporations (which they wouldn't, I assure you) they wouldn't ever recover financially from the fight. Canada's military bases and soldiers stationed in Quebec are CANADA'S and would remain loyal to the Crown. You think the bases in Quebec are only staffed by the Quebecois? Quebec would look like Swiss cheese. We only have 35 mil peeps here. Quebec needs to get its head out of its ass. Bottom line. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 12:08pm |
| Coolness: 149495 | But the point I'm trying to make isn't that Quebec should be allowed to separate or that they would fare well if they did. I'm saying that the things people most often complain about, pertaining to government affairs, are not the government's problem. It's their own stupidity.
When it comes to National Unity, I'm all for it. Don't you worry about that. Quebec shouldn't be allowed to separate in my books. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 3:50pm |
| Coolness: 55970 | I'm just real frustrated because despite the headaches, this is still my favourite place in the world. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 5:11pm |
| Coolness: 159800 | Indeed MDC, stupidity is the main reason why I don't believe in a separated Quebec. The governments are runned by morons, for morons and elected by morons. Money is is dealt with by the very same stupid morons whom we helped put there. It's as if you ask me to hold 1000$ for you and next thing you know, I tell you there's only 225$ left cause, well, I had to buy a safe and various security devices to watch that very same money...oh and went on a drinking binge with buddies for 4 days straight ( "but we were next to the safe, I swear ! " ), you'd be pissed too, right ? Exactly.
Trust me, if an elected party can come up with a budget were roads are worked on more than just piss-poor patching, money is injected in the Health Care system FOR REAL ( even if it's a small amount ) and where 1 000 000 $ is NOT necessary to conduct a 10 year investigation as to where an extra 6 mil of tax payers dollars went, I'd seriously believe in separatism. But we'd have to elect actual smart people to power. And choices offered to me at every election so far made me produce a blank vote for each one cause none of them can prove to me they've got what it takes to manage money I worked for and payed taxes with. Anyhoo, you are right. Bickering won't get anything done. There are better things to do than argue about something we have very little power over. I got other cats to kill and other fatties to roll. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Aug 19, 2005 @ 5:20am |
 Coolness: 92945 | When it comes to seperation I don't even think I care but you guys don't knwo what ur talking about.
HELLO, anyone ever heard of MCGILL?? ULC my ass. People come here form JAPAN just to buy McGill T-shirts. Open a book or soemthing, McGill puts ULC to dirty shame when it comes to research. McGill University is a publicly funded, research-intensive, non-denominational, co-educational university located in the city of Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Founded in 1821, McGill has long been considered to be one of the most prestigious universities in the country and among the finest in North America. Known to some as "The Harvard of the North", McGill is well-known for its pioneering research in the medical sciences, chemistry, physics and biology. The university has among the highest entry standards in Canada and the United States and is famous for its undergraduate education. It has an established history in the humanities, social sciences, music, law, business and physical education. International university rankings such as the Gourman Report, Princeton Review and the Times Higher Education Supplement, have consistently placed McGill amongst the top-tier of global universities. In 2004, the Times Higher Education Supplement ranked McGill 21st best university in the world (12th in North America) and in 1997 it described McGill as one of the 10 greatest centers of academic excellence in the world. McGill ranked 2nd in the annual Maclean's survey of Canadian universities in 2003 and 2004 and 1st in the 2003 and 2004 National Post/Research Infosource rankings. The university has also had the distinction of having the highest publication intensity of any academic institution in the country for many years. This was one of the factors which led to the school being named Canada's "Research University of the Year" in 2003. Noted for being a research-intensive university, it frequently garners the most research dollars nationwide (per faculty) from federal and provincial sources of funding (including CFI, NSERC and other organizations).[1] [ www.researchinfosource.com ] [2] [ www.thes.co.uk ] We LOOK disorganized cause people here are waaay more laid back then in other provinces. We are lazy and we don't feel the need to have sticks up our asses all the time, we don't take extra effort to make sure our prestigious government buildings don't look like crack-shacks, but you knwo what: Two-thirds (67%) of Canadians have had experience with depression or anxiety, with 36% saying they have suffered from it themselves. People in Quebec are least likely to have experienced depression or anxiety personally (24%), while people in Alberta and British Columbia are most likely to have (46% for both provinces). This compares to 31% in Atlantic Canada, 38% in Ontario and 41% in the Prairies. Also, the reason the hospitals are full in Quebec is not just cause of stupid people, it's also cause we have an insane amount of old people. It's true that people get paid less in other places, I dunno about teachers but when it comes to computers, Montreal is a goldmine, we are over-flooded with talented people whiel the rest of Canada is starving. Myabe in Calgary a programmer gets paid 50$ an hour instead of 30, but that's cause they can't find any. We are not and never were at a lack of smart people. We might have a high drop-out rate but that doens't mean the population is stupid. We just have more people willing to do what they wanna do instead of what daddy told them. Also, I dunno where you're getting your info from on the Quebec economy but you are totally wrong. Quebec is the second largest contributor to the Canadian economy. Second only to Ontario. Now how you can say our economy sucks compared to other provinces is beyond me, yes it sucks compared to Ontario, ontario's is practically double, and B.C's is not even half. If you think of it that way, who's supporting who? You're biased cause you don't understand the Quebec vibe at all, you don't understand the way we are. We don't WANT to be conservative, we don't want to wear business suits to work. We like to have FUN and eat junk food and drink BEER after work, we liek to FUCK EACHOTHER IN THE ASS. Any good Quebecois company will have their 5 a 7. We don't want to be like Ontario, that's why people wanna seperate, and even the people who don't wanna seperate still don't want this place to be like Ontario. Our vibe is completely different and we liek it that way. I liek being able to walk down the street shit smeared all voer my face and have nobody look the other way. I liek being able to smoke a joint or steal some candy form the dollar store without someone ratting me out. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Aug 19, 2005 @ 5:30am |
| Coolness: 92945 | Originally posted by @TRIX...
I'm just real frustrated because despite the headaches, this is still my favourite place in the world. yeah that's why you get paid less to work here and pay the most taxes! The money is never where you wanna be. |
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