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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sat May 14, 2005 @ 7:39pm |
 Coolness: 146145 | CANNES, France (Reuters) -- A British documentary arguing U.S. neo-conservatives have exaggerated the terror threat is set to rock the Cannes Film Festival on Saturday, the way "Fahrenheit 9/11" stirred emotions here a year ago.
"The Power of Nightmares" re-injected politics into the festival that seemed eager to steer clear of controversy this year after American Michael Moore won top honors in 2004 for his film deriding President George W. Bush's response to terror. At a screening late on Friday ahead of its gala on Saturday, "The Power of Nightmares" by filmmaker and senior BBC producer Adam Curtis kept an audience of journalists and film buyers glued to their seats and taking notes for a full 2-1/2 hours. The film, a non-competition entry, argues that the fear of terrorism has come to pervade politics in the United States and Britain even though much of that angst is based on carefully nurtured illusions. It says Bush and U.S. neo-conservatives, as well as British Prime Minister Tony Blair, are exaggerating the terror threat in a manner similar to the way earlier generations of leaders inflated the danger of communism and the Soviet Union. It also draws especially controversial symmetries between the history of the U.S. movement that led to the neo-cons and the roots of the ideas that led to radical Islamism -- two conservative movements that have shaped geopolitics since 1945. Curtis's film portrays neo-cons Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Donald Rumsfeld as counterparts to Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri in the two respective movements. "During the Cold War conservatives exaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union," the narrator says. "In reality it was collapsing from within. Now they're doing the same with Islamic extremists because it fits the American vision of an epic battle." Illusory fear In his film, Curtis argues that Bush and Blair have used what he says is the largely illusory fear of terror and hidden webs of organized evil following the September 11, 2001, attacks to reinforce their authority and rally their nations. In Bush's government, those underlings who put forth the darkest scenarios of the phantom threat have the most influence, says Curtis, who also devotes segments of his film to criticize unquestioning media and zealous security agencies. He says al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has a far less powerful organization than feared. But he is careful to avoid suggestions that terror attacks won't happen again. Included are experts who dismiss fears of a "dirty bomb" as exaggerated. "It was an attempt at historical explanation for September 11," Curtis said, describing his film in the Guardian newspaper recently. "Up to this point, nobody had done a proper history of the ideas and groups that have created our modern world." But Curtis said there were worlds of difference between his film and Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11", which won the "Golden Palm" and gave the festival a charged political atmosphere that prompted this year's return to a more conservative program. "Moore is a political agitprop filmmaker," he said. "I am not. You'd be hard pushed to tell my politics from watching it." "The Power of Nightmares" was a three-part documentary aired in Britain and won a British film and television industry award (Bafta) this year |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat May 14, 2005 @ 9:29pm |
 Coolness: 340610 | this aught to be a good watch, i hope it's less of an attack on bush than fahrenheit 9/11 though, that kept a lot of conservatives from watching and being convinced.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 6:51am |
| Coolness: 146145 | its more like clinical if you know what i mean, much less polemic, and way more disturbing,
i have it on dvd you can borrowit if you can t find it online somewhere |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 8:22am |
| Coolness: 340610 | *Downloading em now* |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 2:18pm |
| Coolness: 146145 | cool tell me what you think after you watch them |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 2:20pm |
| Coolness: 340610 | i'm half way through the last one.. i find it kinda funny that they say Al Qaida just doesn't exist..
i'm sure a lot of it is true, but i get a shady feeling while watching this.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 2:29pm |
| Coolness: 146145 | ya it is shaddy but like, the conservative movement, through out history has always been kinda weird and fucked up...
that guy Ahmed Queira (the "jahalia guy") is fucking nuts, allthough very interesting |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 2:38pm |
| Coolness: 340610 | yeah, it's interesting, but i feel like somethings missing.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 5:27pm |
| Coolness: 146145 | ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 8:00pm |
 Coolness: 57145 | hmm.. would like to see it. My major criticism of farenhiet 911 was that the videofootage and the dubbed voice over gave me the impression of making it look a certain way and at the beginning it said for entertainment purposes only. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sun May 15, 2005 @ 11:17pm |
| Coolness: 340610 | i'd say my main quabble with it, is it assumes that all the major polititians in the US are on the bandwaggon with the neo-cons.. and i find it really hard to believe that the Bush administration would be able to invent the Al Qaeda alone and have little opposition claiming it's fake.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon May 16, 2005 @ 6:47am |
| Coolness: 146145 | its more complicated then that... dude
they didnt create al queerada on their own they had the help of the russians to do that...and about a kazillion dollars of saudi oil money and 20 years of profits from selling arms in latin america to invest i gues if you have all the money and power in the world and your bored and frustrated you can go start a violent revolution/struggle in the third world |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon May 16, 2005 @ 7:11am |
 Coolness: 93210 | well from the propaganda I've heard, Osama was in the top 5 FBI agents in 1994, same year that the U.S gave Al Qaeda 6 billion dollars. Maybe rather then making up the Al Qeada, they created it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon May 16, 2005 @ 8:32am |
| Coolness: 340610 | i feel they should have also mentioned the WTC bombings in 1993.. but they didn't..
[ en.wikipedia.org ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon May 16, 2005 @ 2:10pm |
| Coolness: 146145 | ya supposidly that was gonna be a an anthrax attack but the bomb went off early.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cactain_steef replied on Mon May 16, 2005 @ 6:45pm |
 Coolness: 155620 | hmm.. i wanna see this |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue May 17, 2005 @ 7:10pm |
| Coolness: 146145 | the end is my favorite part cause he basically says that we can t beleive in any of the ideologies which he looked at so we should all be anarchists |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 17, 2005 @ 11:04pm |
| Coolness: 340610 | hahaha.
it's weak though, the concept that liberalism is what leads to idolising material posessions is a crock. it's human nature to crave what one doesn't have. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue May 17, 2005 @ 11:25pm |
| Coolness: 146145 | no its not dude
thats a lie you have been fed by the sysyem of oppression you live in its not like that in other countries in places like the "east" and the "south" its different from here, they don t have the same relationship to materialism is we do so its not human nature in any sense of the word the point i was trying to make is that i agree with the consevatives in atleast one way liberal democracy has failed i disagree about what we should do about it though |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 17, 2005 @ 11:37pm |
| Coolness: 340610 | nope. i totally disagree, the fact that many poorer countries are packed with people with.... LESS.. does not mean they would not crave MORE..
being liberal is all about letting society choose which direction it will take. it's about evolution. conservatism is all about restraining evolution in hopes to keep things proper and nice. if we did not allow liberalism to take it's course.. well we'd be living in the past. freedom is something no one should ever argue against because it is ALWAYS better than having someone else restrain you saying you're not allowed to do it because someone else finds it inproper. what would happen if you were sitting on a park bench making out with your girlfriend when a cop arrests you for indecent acts in public? or if your neighbor tipped off the cops that he/she thinks you were doing some naughty things in your appartment...? freedom is never bad. ever. |
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