Who'S Religious In Here ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Feb 6, 2005 @ 10:34pm |
 Coolness: 146110 | Originally posted by [SCREWHEAD]...
Originally posted by basdini...
another question worth asking is science just the new religion of the last 400 years No, science and religion are two completely diffrent things. Religion is just to give man "hope" and "morals" and to be a guide to live. Science explains things through pure hard facts that can pe reproduced and explained. Religion relies on vague explanations, superstition and the false promise of something better than you have now (as if the life we live now, no matter how good, should be a chore and not enjoyable) sorry dude but science has it's assumptions just like any other belief system like: metaphysical materialism absolute and objective truth the primacy of cause and effect/causal closure, if you allow every belief system one great miracle then it's all good, for science it's big bang, for christianity it's transubstantiation ps you have no idea what logic is do you, there is nothing "logicaly" compelling in what you presented, |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:36am |
 Coolness: 57110 | I think religions and science are very similar. Yes, i do think that science and technology is the new religion of the past 400 years BASDINI.
why? Well... technology and science are regarded so highly in practice and in theory. The example that comes to mind about just how much science is valued and people devalued is GM food and pharmaceutical medications. In the name of science and technology and past human failure, they have fabricated medications and foods, which will probably cause all sorts of problems that we can only hope to fix. But I won't blame science like I won't blame the bible. When it comes to anything, wether it be religion, psychology, the cat in the hat, the bible, or charlie and the chocolate factory (one of my fav books as a kid), the bottom line is that they are just books written by people speaking, that can influence people. What I've learned from the bible's existence is that people through their blindness or selfishness have used the bible to suit their needs. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:37am |
| Coolness: 57110 | Lee, I would like to know what your philosophy is? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:38am |
 Coolness: 2750385 | He will tell you over a night in bed... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:42am |
| Coolness: 57110 | "if you allow every belief system one great miracle then it's all good, for science it's big bang, for christianity it's transubstantiation ".
-basdini so true... so true... and the primacy of cause and effect.. sounds like something I would be interested in. When people are treated for depression with pharmaceuticals that's a treatment for the effect of a brain/chemical imbalance. A treatment is not a cure and a treatment of the effect will never result directly into a cure of the problem. THe above seems so basic. But it's not. I always hear garbage on the media, propaganda that confuses cause and effect. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:47am |
| Coolness: 57110 | ca m'arrive souvent que des gens religieuse me donne des reponses de leurs croyances qui ne me satisfais pas.
J'aime que la science apporte d'autre reponse que de dire "parce que dieux veulent ou parce que dieux l'as dit. " Dieux est souvent quelque chose de contraversial. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 8:29am |
 Coolness: 340575 | Ian, was that aimed at me bout the logic thing? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 9:22am |
| Coolness: 57110 | that could be good... I don't like to rush things... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 9:48am |
| Coolness: 146110 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
Ian, was that aimed at me bout the logic thing? yeah, nothing about what you presented is deductively necesary, although i will certainly agree that anyone who breaks an arm should take a trip to the hospital, you could quite as easily say "if you break you arm you should smear you body with peanut butter" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 10:00am |
| Coolness: 340575 | it wouldn't be logical cause there is absolutely no supporting reason for it.
if someone had shown that smearing peanutbutter on your arm fixes a broken bone then hey, that would be a logical thing to do. Following something with actual evidence or proof even is a logical action. Logic is about proper deduction based on reasoning.. [ dictionary.reference.com ] if you do as i said and bathe in onion broth just cause someone came up with the idea off the top of their head with nothing backing it, then that would be illogical. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 10:51am |
| Coolness: 146110 | dude i'm not even gonna bother checking you link cause i don't really think i need to,
your assuming that if someone breaks their arm they should get it fixed (cause that's what they want, or should want) nothing with that let me tell you a story to make my point a little clearer, there exists a tribe of people who live in the amazone basin, sometimes when a child is born the mother and father decide to break it's arms and legs, they never set the bones so the kid ends up a crippled and spends the rest of his life in bed, at a certain age (15 years old i think) they sacrifice him to their god the point i'm trying to make is that is that it's all about ends, for you it's about health, so yes, in that respect if you are interested in health (and who isn't) then you should go to the hospital, in this case however health (in the physical sense) is not the goal or end. logic works the best with things like math (set theory, geometry etc) it can also work with sentences in natural languages (like english, french etc) but it can be very tricky...the three branches of logic that deal with natural languages, that is sentenial logic, predicate logic, and modal logic what i'm trying to say is that there is nothing even marginaly necesary about your example, in a rigid deductive sense, check the following sylogism which is deductivly valid (it's form dictates that provided the premises are true the conclusion will also be true and necesarily follow from them) premise 1) Neoform is a felator premise 2) felators suck penis _______________________________ conclusion: neoform sucks penis there are courses at dawson and concordia in both deductive logic and critical thinking, you should take them if you are interested in this type of thing. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 11:05am |
| Coolness: 340575 | k, uhh first off, none of these are words:
felator deductivly sylogism second, my example was said on the basis that the person would want to cure themselves. why else pray? why else go to the hospital? you're bringing something completely different in here talking about what people desire and what they want in the end.. what i was talking about is that there is no logic in claiming that science is just another belief system. while not all aspects of science have been proven or discovered, there are actual standards and common understandings that people from all religions agree upon, with religion there are no standards, no agreements.. one religion says god is a guy, another says it's a chick. One says there's but one god, another says there are many. With science, you throw something up, it'll come right back down. You put water over a flame and it'll turn to steam, these are thing we can depend on and belief is not required since it is a certainty. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 11:46am |
 Coolness: 46535 | Ahem,
Thou art in hell, 'for thee all hope is fled. As thou passed through the mountain on thy way hither, thou didst hear the groans and shrieks of the lost as they called for water to cool their parched tongues. Along that passage there is a door that opens into the lake of fire. This is soon to be thy doom. Before thou art conducted to this place of torment never more to emerge - for there is no hope for those who enter there - thou shalt be permitted to remain in this open plain, where it is granted to all the lost to behold what they might have enjoyed instead of what they must suffer. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» little_sarah replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:32pm |
 Coolness: 122350 | toot toot. you all care too much |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 12:40pm |
| Coolness: 146110 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
k, uhh first off, none of these are words: felator deductivly sylogism neoform you need to learn to be intelectually charitable to people, each one of those is word albeit mis spelled, stop being a knit picker, i'm typing fast so i might make a spelling mistake or two, does that mean what i'm saying is to be rejected off hand like you just did, of course not, what i'm trying to say is that science is not the be all and end all of human existence, there are all kinds of problems with science, even if it is very usefull to us, There is the problem of the human, if you are a good scientist you can't even talk about there being mind, there are only brains, not to mention all the problems of scientific methodology... Something else that's worth asking is: if science is so great why can't it tell how to live a just and good life?, see thats one of the problems with science it's purely discriptive not perscriptive at all, how come science can't tell us what is right and wrong, good and bad, and fair and unfair, i thought science was supposed to answer all our questions, kinda shitty if it can't answer those, they are pretty important after all |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 1:54pm |
| Coolness: 46535 | The head of the penis is used to scoop out another man's semen during sex so that yours is the one that impregnates, making us polygamous creatures.
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 2:17pm |
| Coolness: 340575 | Originally posted by BASDINI...
neoform you need to learn to be intelectually charitable to people, each one of those is word albeit mis spelled, stop being a knit picker, i'm typing fast so i might make a spelling mistake or two, does that mean what i'm saying is to be rejected off hand like you just did, of course not, Sorry, but if you're going to attemp to throw around big words, at least spell them properly. I rarely use big words because all they do is cause confusion. What kind of debate takes place is all you do is confuse your opponent? That's not a fair debate.. Hell, if i wanted to i could encode my responces in binary, then laugh at you when you can't read it. golly. Something else that's worth asking is: if science is so great why can't it tell how to live a just and good life?, see thats one of the problems with science it's purely discriptive not perscriptive at all, how come science can't tell us what is right and wrong, good and bad, and fair and unfair, i thought science was supposed to answer all our questions, kinda shitty if it can't answer those, they are pretty important after all I'm slightly confused here, are you saying that beliefs have something to do with morality or 'right/wrong' ? Last i checked i can have the same morals as someone who's a devout bible thumper.. As for scientists saying the mind doesn't exist, and that it's just brains, well hey, the mind is the software, the brain is the hardware. Does software really exist? yes and no, physically it does not since it's just electrons stored, much like music.. music doesn't really exist, but it can be reproduced.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 2:57pm |
 Coolness: 686500 | Originally posted by BASDINI...
sorry dude but science has it's assumptions just like any other belief system Science isn't a beliefe system, it's a system of facts. You brought up the big bang, well, they've PROVED the after-effects of the big-bang (don't remember specifics, but certain equipment can pick up echos or something of the sort from when it occured) What about dinosaurs? They aren't in the bible. God never made them. But they exist. We know it. We have proof. Sure, we can't go back in time yet to actually see dinosaurs or witness the big bang itself, but there is more than sufficient proof backing the "theories". Evolution has been proven, we weren't but here by god, we evolved from monkeys. Carbon dating has proven the age of a lot of things to be older than when the bible says god made the earth. What does religion have? The bible? The word of the pope? Purely things that you have to take on the basis of faith, with absolutely nothing that can be reproduced or proven, and some things that have even been DISS-proven are being touted about like it's still the truth (shroud of turin, for example. They ran DNA tests on the "blood" and discovered that it was just stains from berries, no human DNA in at at all. Also, the cotton fibers that the shroud was made from, genetically, come from plants only found in england.) Neoform is completely right with everything he's been posting, and your just being ignorant, stupid and childish to a point where, from having spoken to you before, I think that your just trying to start shit for shits and giggles, because I honestly don't think your as stupid and gullible as your passing yourself off to be in this thread. Logic dictates that if you have a problem, you fix it with the best solution as soon as possible. If my foot is stuck in a hole, I'm going to try and dig it out, not sit on my ass and pray. If I want a job, I'm not gonna sit at home and pray for god to give me a job, I'm gonna get up and go look for one. It is WAY more logical to do something about your problems than to sit around and talk to your cieling. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 3:22pm |
| Coolness: 46535 | Look up the word reality in the bible.
Oh wait, there's no reality in the bible. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blondie replied on Mon Feb 7, 2005 @ 6:44pm |
 Coolness: 36175 | God was created in man's image to reflect his ego. There IS NO GOD! There is no religion, be it science, or believing in GOD. The only reality is what is seen before you. |
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