Hardware Or Software ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Sep 1, 2009 @ 8:07pm |
 Coolness: 106365 | Can be usefull in a live setup but with the mastering soft's out there, I can think of better things to do with a thousand bucks. Personaly, I use a Aphex Dominator on the tail end my live setup. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 9:08am |
 Coolness: 165050 | yeah the more that i think of it ill just get that sweet POWERCORE card instead of the TC FINALIZER |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 10:51am |
 Coolness: 84125 | mastering is an artform all of it's own...
for home productions you are way better off just sending it out to a pro if you're gunna release it. you can spend a ton of cash buying gear like that (and i'm sure it sounds spectacular), but if you don't have a specially designed sound treated studio to put it into, you're just pissing money away. not mention... you'll achieve better results working with a specialist to achieve the sound your looking for. i've been working with a mastering tech for our labels past few releases. and each time around the results are getting better and better, he's starting to understand the sound we are looking for... and at the same time time brings out dynamics that we didn't know were there. i can really see it getting to a point where we won't even want to dance floor test our new tunes without having them professionally mastered first. live stuff is a whole other game though... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BobGratton replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 8:08pm |
 Coolness: 74340 | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 9:17pm |
 Coolness: 56270 | I approve this one! They did my latest mastering and seriously, they do a really great job! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 11:02pm |
 Coolness: 76430 | Originally Posted By MURDOCK_ROCK
mastering is an artform all of it's own... for home productions you are way better off just sending it out to a pro if you're gunna release it. you can spend a ton of cash buying gear like that (and i'm sure it sounds spectacular), but if you don't have a specially designed sound treated studio to put it into, you're just pissing money away. not mention... you'll achieve better results working with a specialist to achieve the sound your looking for. i've been working with a mastering tech for our labels past few releases. and each time around the results are getting better and better, he's starting to understand the sound we are looking for... and at the same time time brings out dynamics that we didn't know were there. i can really see it getting to a point where we won't even want to dance floor test our new tunes without having them professionally mastered first. live stuff is a whole other game though... +1 |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 11:59am |
| Coolness: 165050 | yeah pro mastering can only be done in expensive environement where everything has been accoustically balanced! BUT doesnt mean you cant buy let say a compressor and use it for recording or just to experiment with different routing to discover new kind of sounds. But yeah if someone wants to do their own mastering they better have a 10,000 - 20,000 $ budget + all the knowledge needed to actually use it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 5:31pm |
 Coolness: 140935 | I do my mastering with ipod earbuds |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Papine replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 7:02pm |
 Coolness: 40030 | That's a good to know ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BobGratton replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 7:04pm |
| Coolness: 74340 | It's a me, Mario! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Fri Sep 4, 2009 @ 3:37pm |
 Coolness: 153255 | Originally Posted By APR1ZM
But yeah if someone wants to do their own mastering they better have a 10,000 - 20,000 $ budget + all the knowledge needed to actually use it. you can easily add a 0 to that and you wont even have a "pro" mastering place! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OoOLuShYsOoO replied on Sat Sep 5, 2009 @ 2:39pm |
 Coolness: 47440 | When I first started producin back in 2001 I didnt even have a > 1GHZ machine, actually was running 256MB of ram! lol, some of those tracks are still posted up on here cause I'm lazy and havent put anything new up on this site in years.
But, I want to jump in and offer up my opinion. A lot of people think software > hardware, in fact some close friends of mine will argue this point till I want to slap them, lol, but in a way they are right, 99% of the time. The thing is, it all depends on you and your workflow. As a musician myself, having played in punk bands, ska bands and the likes on the side, I have a close connection with producing on something physical that I feel can be manipulated in a physical way. After having played around with some vintage moogs nothing compares to the warmth and fullness of that sound, specially after the equipment warms up and the sound changes, its amazing and inspirational to me. But thats just ME, everyones different, the only hardware I use right now is a compressor/limiter/gate, and I dont need to use it, the only time I do is if I'm recording gutiar, or a buddy brings over some hardware (Virus, Korg Radius etc). Software can most certainly do everything hardware can and more, on a tighter budget to boot. I have a fucked up worklow myself, I do all my sequencing and percussion/sampling through Reason and all my VSTi's are rewired through a secondary host like FL or Cubase (more often than not Cubase). I've tried to change this for so many yearss and I just cant get into it otherwise, I wish I could just buck up and use Logic 100%, but I dont feel inspired, been mastering my current workflow for so many years that I just cant shake it. So find what works well for you, expirement, if you're serious about it and stick to it you will eventually develope your own procedures and workflow unique to everyone else. My current set up is 2 KRK Rockit 8's, DBX 266XL compressor, 2 12's, Edirol PCR300 (everything you need), FS soun card, and my machine is Dual CPU (dual cored) @ 3.16 GHZ running 4GB of ram and a RAID 0 SCSI array. My secondary production machine is 4x 3.0ghz Xeon Processire with Hyperthreading (8 processr man) with a Hot Swappable RAID 10 (nested raid level) SCSI array. Thing is a beast, but sounds like a fucking jet engine so I rarely use it and am probably selling it, its overkill. That being said, I just released this track and got some UK radio play/Was featured on Trackitdown and is available through TID and Juno, but I'll toss it up for free: [ 613massive.com ] Will probably end up being my last ever DNB release as I've really moved away from Jungle/Breakbeat Hardcore/Old Skool and mostly play/produce Hard House/Hard Trance now. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Sep 5, 2009 @ 4:22pm |
 Coolness: 685840 | ^^^ For sure classic analog hardware can sound fuckin' amazing and really has no equal.. but any "recent"/modern synth you're gonna get is just a DSP chip with a pre-assigned/dedicated MIDI controller and a soundcard for output..
So yeah you can spend 1600$ for a Nord Lead 2X, or get yourself the Scorpion and Pentagon VSTi and get maybe not the 100% same sound, but really damn close.. Just like you can spend ungodly amounts of money on a real 303, or just get Phoscyon or ABL and get something that most people couldn't discern from the real deal if you run it through an analog tube emulator.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Sat Sep 5, 2009 @ 5:29pm |
 Coolness: 153305 | Originally Posted By MATDUKE
It's a me, Mario! a lol |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Sun Sep 6, 2009 @ 11:38pm |
| Coolness: 140935 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Just like you can spend ungodly amounts of money on a real 303 jesus titty christ... was curious and checked e-bay... fucking 2500$... howabout fuck-off |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 6, 2009 @ 11:56pm |
| Coolness: 685840 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
jesus titty christ... was curious and checked e-bay... fucking 2500$... howabout fuck-off the worst part though, is that if I had the cash, I'd totally fucking get one.. or twelve... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Sep 7, 2009 @ 12:48am |
 Coolness: 201475 | if you are a performer hardware is better.. doesn't crash.
Lushy: I started producing with a 486, and then got a pentium 150 and made some good tunes on it. Back in the day if I put out a good buzz tune I'd get a ton of emails from people... this was before most people were using all software setups. I consider my 2ghz core2duo and even the old powerbook I have to be fucking insanely fast machines capable of anything compared to what I used to use. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry replied on Mon Sep 7, 2009 @ 5:31am |
 Coolness: 73335 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
^^^ For sure classic analog hardware can sound fuckin' amazing and really has no equal.. but any "recent"/modern synth you're gonna get is just a DSP chip with a pre-assigned/dedicated MIDI controller and a soundcard for output.. So yeah you can spend 1600$ for a Nord Lead 2X, or get yourself the Scorpion and Pentagon VSTi and get maybe not the 100% same sound, but really damn close.. Just like you can spend ungodly amounts of money on a real 303, or just get Phoscyon or ABL and get something that most people couldn't discern from the real deal if you run it through an analog tube emulator.. I dunno man, I used to think along the same lines, but I just got a Virus C and I can't find any vst which even comes close to sounding as awesome as this thing does. Obviously 99% of people can't tell the difference, but to those of us who've been training our ears for years it's night and day. It's like the difference between 192 and 320 kbps. Me and you could probably tell the difference from the next room, but 99% of people haven't been trained. But in the end it's not about fooling 99% of those people, but impressing that 1%. Like look at boards of canada, they could technically make their music using only plug-ins, but there's a certain saturation or "organicness" to their music that's impossible to recreate. Like look at hardfloor too, fuck I probably own the best hardware "remake" of the TB-303, but I still can't touch the original sound that comes out of a 303. Anyways, I don't know there's just something about having an actual piece of hardware in front of you too. I can sit in front of a synth for hours and hours and not get bored, but after staring at a screen for 1-2 hours with little fonts and tiny virtual knobs I start to get a headache, it almost de-motivates me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Mon Sep 7, 2009 @ 7:29am |
 Coolness: 91640 | Originally Posted By DMTIO
I dunno man, I used to think along the same lines, but I just got a Virus C and I can't find any vst which even comes close to sounding as awesome as this thing does. Obviously 99% of people can't tell the difference, but to those of us who've been training our ears for years it's night and day. It's like the difference between 192 and 320 kbps. Me and you could probably tell the difference from the next room, but 99% of people haven't been trained. But in the end it's not about fooling 99% of those people, but impressing that 1%. Like look at boards of canada, they could technically make their music using only plug-ins, but there's a certain saturation or "organicness" to their music that's impossible to recreate. Like look at hardfloor too, fuck I probably own the best hardware "remake" of the TB-303, but I still can't touch the original sound that comes out of a 303. Anyways, I don't know there's just something about having an actual piece of hardware in front of you too. I can sit in front of a synth for hours and hours and not get bored, but after staring at a screen for 1-2 hours with little fonts and tiny virtual knobs I start to get a headache, it almost de-motivates me. Hehe, Glad to hear you enjoy Vic's Virus C fwiend. A lot of people are going by the "tweak your vst with comps eq and distos and you'll get something" This being said, take a hardware synth that already sounds awesome and tweak it. Now you'll get that real kick ass sound you are looking for. I went to hardware synths 2 years ago and even if they are harder to integrate to a setup (needs audio I/O and Midi I/O) than VSTs, I never EVER looked back. There is a short period of adaptation but the result in the end has NOTHING to do with VSTs. It's deep like an endless pit, crispier than bacon, sharper than a Samourai's blade and it hits you like a 18 wheeler loaded with bricks. Sure there are a couple of very good VST out there but I think even in V.A synths and sound processing/summing, nothing can beat a dedicated machine. I mean even native vs DSP chip based effects (same effects, of course) do not give the same results. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Sep 10, 2009 @ 2:24am |
| Coolness: 201475 | the viruses sound good because they presets all have loads of effects on them. The virus has a ton of effects. Most of the presets use a lot of them. But the filters are great. Unfortunately I found using hardware to be MUCH SLOWER for producing music in my case, and I'm happy using very simple soft synths and a lot of sampler stuff. |
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