Exsatcy Laced With Meth
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zimmermau5 replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 6:27pm |
 Coolness: 77635 | Originally Posted By MASA
heh, according to blisss, I'm also an idiot! perfect :) I don't think you're an idiot but that's jus my opinion it means nothing ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 7:14pm |
 Coolness: 47525 | Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
First off I dont work for Pfizer, I work for Wyeth Research. I was using a random pharmaceutical comapany's name. My point was that "you might work for XXX" but that means nothing if you're working in the accounting department. Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
The chemical structures you posted ARE acurate I just found it funny that you back yourself with a t-shirt retailer as your source. Now we were debating if the test kit could trace it or not, apparently from Gamos' experience it did not seem to work. Now I am by no means saying that Meth and MDMA are one and the same far from it, just that they are harder to differenciate by using these little pill testing kits. No they aren't! It's INCREDIBLY easy to detect and differentiate methamphetamine from MDMA using a testing kit. Unless you can't tell the difference between orange and purple. The fact that you're saying it's difficult shows you have never used a testing kit (and considering you stated you've been doing hard drugs for a decade, that should be a good indication that you shouldn't be giving anybody advice on drug consumption). Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
What we may want to consider is the fact that a hell of a lot of shit that's sold on the streets or in parties as "MDMA" is a mishmash of meth and other garbage. Clearly, hence the point of using a testing kit, which you are saying is useless (but it clearly isn't by your own argument). Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
I know both compounds are made using different process, it does not take away from the fact that they are very similar chemically speaking. Their effects on the human body, specifically on your nervous system is quite different, Meth's level of neurotoxicity being much higher and it's long term effects being much more devastating. But this is not what we were debating now is it? They are similar chemically speaking - clearly, they're both in the amphetamine family. However, the molecular structure is quite different - there is no common molecule. MDMA is not an extension of meth, it is simply a chemical "cousin". Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
I find you very arrogant to say the least and think you should take it easy before you are so quick to judge. It's not meant to come off as arrogance. I'm just sick and tired of people telling people not to use testing kits "because they don't work". THEY WORK. It's also the 20th time I've seen people say MDMA contains methamphetamine because they assume that because MDMA has methamphetamine in its name, it shares that molecule. If they had actually looked at the chemistry of the molecules, they would see they aren't anything but molecular cousins. Telling people MDMA is supposed to contain meth is what drug dealers do to justify the poor quality of their supply. Finding pure MDMA is not hard if you are willing to spend the money and use a testing kit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 7:44pm |
 Coolness: 88915 | For the record I've been clean of any dope appart from weed for almost a decade, it's not cuz I took drugs in '98 that I still do.
Again, depending on the kit results can and will vary. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 8:06pm |
 Coolness: 76985 | Originally Posted By DAINJA
They are similar chemically speaking - clearly, they're both in the amphetamine family. However, the molecular structure is quite different - there is no common molecule. MDMA is not an extension of meth, it is simply a chemical "cousin". That's wrong. Methamphetamine is a methampetamine. MDMA is a phenethylamine. Look it up in PiHKaL... you can find that on [ Erowid.org ] This was the primary source of information for TRIP when I worked with them, and we had a very well-informed pamphlet on Ecstasy which I've been trying to get copies of for a while, so I can hand them out to the less-informed, in the hopes of filling the gaps that GRIP has left open everywhere with their half-assed harm-reduction efforts. GRIP blows, IMHO. Aside from every criticism I have of you picking apart an intelligent and experienced person's arguments, you may very well be right about the testing kit, yet I have yet to see this one. I seem to remember however that the colour grade on the test I used last was a little too close, the difference between blue and indigo or something. If you have access to this superior kit, why not tell the rest of us what the kit is called, where we can get it, and leave all your bitching à la énculé for when it's important? Your nitpicking is useless. You just make yourself look like an asshole. Maybe that's what you want, but it's always yucky when people start to look like they're severely distended and hemorrhoid-ridden in the midst of all their other faults. Cut it out, as Uncle Jesse would say. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 8:19pm |
| Coolness: 88915 | Oh my! Full house reference... is it Bob Saget week or something? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 8:29pm |
 Coolness: 93770 | Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
Originally Posted By dainja
I'm at work so I can't (and don't want to) access any drug-related sites With that said, those chemical structures are accurate anyways - care to prove them wrong? You might work for Pfizer but that doesn't mean you know anything about chemistry. Considering you admit that you have no formal training in chemistry, your uneducated opinion is pretty invalid. First off I dont work for Pfizer, I work for Wyeth Research. Second, you run your mouth with zero credentials, I for one have a certain experience working in this field. The chemical structures you posted ARE acurate I just found it funny that you back yourself with a t-shirt retailer as your source. Now we were debating if the test kit could trace it or not, apparently from Gamos' experience it did not seem to work. Now I am by no means saying that Meth and MDMA are one and the same far from it, just that they are harder to differenciate by using these little pill testing kits. What we may want to consider is the fact that a hell of a lot of shit that's sold on the streets or in parties as "MDMA" is a mishmash of meth and other garbage. It is a hell of a lot easier to synthesise Meth from ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine than it is to synthesise MDMA from Safrole oil. I know both compounds are made using different process, it does not take away from the fact that they are very similar chemically speaking. Their effects on the human body, specifically on your nervous system is quite different, Meth's level of neurotoxicity being much higher and it's long term effects being much more devastating. But this is not what we were debating now is it? I find you very arrogant to say the least and think you should take it easy before you are so quick to judge. I retract my statement...jeez, people take this board seriously. I went back to my kit. The kits cant tell apart MDEA, MDA and MDMA. They CAN tell apart Meth from MDMA |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 8:52pm |
| Coolness: 88915 | There we go problem solved. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 8:56pm |
| Coolness: 76985 | Ok so which testing kit is that? We need clarity if we want to inform. Sorry to be fussy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 9:02pm |
| Coolness: 88915 | Classic case of misunderstanding, I was sure Gamos had tried the kit and the kit had failed. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 9:16pm |
 Coolness: 2604260 | Maybe we should make a drug section here on the site... There used to be one years and years ago before the db crash... Only facts ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 9:17pm |
| Coolness: 88915 | Isnt there a drug prevention section already? Although I've already stated my opinion on this whole "prevention" thing it seems much more drug promotion than prevention if you ask me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:50pm |
 Coolness: 145475 | where in montreal can you buy the kits? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 12:22am |
| Coolness: 93770 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
where in montreal can you buy the kits? No idea. I used the dutch site. Worked out to about 60$. I like that idea about having free testing available at raves... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 8:22am |
 Coolness: 68580 | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 10:07am |
| Coolness: 47525 | That's wrong. Methamphetamine is a methampetamine. MDMA is a phenethylamine. Look it up in PiHKaL... Like I said, MDMA is not like methamphetamine, they are simply chemical "cousins" (ie similar but don't really share all that much). Strik was saying MDMA was an extension of methamphetamine. If you have access to this superior kit, why not tell the rest of us what the kit is called, where we can get it, and leave all your bitching à la énculé for when it's important? Superior kit? It's the standard [ dancesafe.org ] kit with 3 reagents. You have to do all three tests to differentiate between certain things. For example, one test tells you whether something is ecstasy like (MDMA, MDA, MDEA, etc), 2ct7 or methamphetamine). Then another tells you whether it's MDA or MDMA/MDEA. Basically, if you do all three tests you can narrow it down more than if you just did the meth/ecstasy like substance test. Like I said though, the basic test (marquis reagent which tells ecstasy like substances apart from meth and 2ct7) is the most common. If you can't tell orange from purple... I like that idea about having free testing available at raves...
As much as I'd love to do that at events, it's illegal in Canada :( I retract my statement...jeez, people take this board seriously. I went back to my kit. The kits cant tell apart MDEA, MDA and MDMA.
If you have all three reagents you can tell MDA from MDMA/MDEA but not MDMA from MDEA. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 10:16am |
 Coolness: 158510 | Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
Oh my! Full house reference... is it Bob Saget week or something? Pretty sure "Uncle Jesse" here is from Dukes of Hazzard, not Full House. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 10:21am |
 Coolness: 159395 | Yeah. That's what I though too, Bo Duke. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 10:45am |
| Coolness: 68580 | yay.......... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 11:07am |
| Coolness: 47525 | RAEV |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Wed Jul 30, 2008 @ 11:36am |
 Coolness: 85210 | wait, so there's drugs in your drugs? |
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