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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 2:49pm
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But there's also a very good chance that the individual at hand will try to kill or hurt themselves or others around them


Violent schizophrenics are extremely rare.... It's much more likely a sociopath (one who lacks empathy/feeling for other human beings) would go on a killing spree than someone who happened to be schizophrenic. The possibility of suicide is high though.

In response to Dans post, I keep thinking of the situation of a desperately miserable artist with mental disease who happens to create great art in their momments of lucidity... While the rest of society might benefit from their creative output, it's possible these artistic minds might have led very miserable lives themselves. While mental disease might have fuelled their creativity, in the end many of these people ended up committing suicide (especially if they had bipolar disorder). A good example would be Van Gogh, who lived a pretty miserable life by many standards and was not famous when he was alive. After his death, his paintings became very renowned and valuable. It's almost as if society has a sadistic voyeur mentality when it comes to mental disease.. E.G. "Let these people live miserable, fucked up lives, and when they kill themselves we can trade around the fruit of their labours for copious amounts of money!"...
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 4:22pm
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Originally posted by SCOTTYP...



In response to Dans post, I keep thinking of the situation of a desperately miserable artist with mental disease who happens to create great art in their momments of lucidity... While the rest of society might benefit from their creative output, it's possible these artistic minds might have led very miserable lives themselves. While mental disease might have fuelled their creativity, in the end many of these people ended up committing suicide (especially if they had bipolar disorder). A good example would be Van Gogh, who lived a pretty miserable life by many standards and was not famous when he was alive. After his death, his paintings became very renowned and valuable. It's almost as if society has a sadistic voyeur mentality when it comes to mental disease.. E.G. "Let these people live miserable, fucked up lives, and when they kill themselves we can trade around the fruit of their labours for copious amounts of money!"...


no one ever said they were happy

but for the record there's no such thing as an artist(painter) who was famous before they died.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 4:31pm
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Well there was Picasso
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» little_sarah replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 4:32pm
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there's ALOT, that's a ridiculous statement
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 4:35pm
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and this man


Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 5:40pm
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da vinci.. renoir.. dali.. gaudi..
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Intoccabile replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 5:54pm
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" but for the record there's no such thing as an artist(painter) who was famous before they died. "

ho-hum
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 5:57pm
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Originally posted by CINDERELLA SOUL...

Someone very close to me has bi-polar disorder and has been on lithium for more then ten years. Anyways, I have noticed that when she stops taking her medication and becomes more apparently bi-polar, the people in her midst rarely treat her with much respect. But i can see it is generally because they don't know how to handle her, nor do they understnad what her problem is.

I wish society would come to understnad more about mental illness so we can better help them in their "craziness".
Plus, I often wonder as someone mentioned as well about how it must be for her, when she resumes taking her medication and is confronted or remmebers to a certain degree how she was behaving.
I am appauled that she is not in therapy that thereapy is not more of an option to be offered. I assume and realize that much of her "crazy" behaviour is repressed into her subconscious. BUt it is not gone and that is precisely the point.


if your interested in this type of thing
you should read michel foucault 'madness and civilization' (1979 i think!)
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 10:02pm
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Originally posted by MOONDANCER...




The Prevalance Rate for schizophrenia is approximately 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 (source: NIMH) or, in other words, at any one time as many as 51 million people worldwide suffer from schizophrenia;
This means only the people who were diagnosed

What Percentage of Individuals with sever mental illnesses are untreated, and why?

Recent American studies report that approximately half of all individuals with severe mental illnesses have received no treatment for their illnesses in the previous 12 months. These findings are consistent with other studies of medication compliance for individuals with schizophrenia and manic-depressive illness (bipolar disorder). The majority (55 percent) of those not receiving treatment have no awareness of their illness (anosognosia) and thus do not seek treatment. Stigma and dissatisfaction with services are relatively unimportant reasons why individuals with severe mental illnesses do not seek treatment.

The 45 percent who acknowledged that they needed treatment (and thus had awareness of their illness) but still were not receiving treatment cited many reasons for this. These included (respondent could check several reasons):

32% "wanted to solve problem on own"
27% "thought the problem would get better by itself"
20% "too expensive"
18% "unsure about where to go for help"
17% "help probably would not do any good"
16% "health insurance would not cover treatment"

you probably know more then one person


Absolutely true and a perfectly relevant post.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu Apr 7, 2005 @ 10:06pm
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IT looks like a book I would really enjoy, Thanks.

Foucault discusses the question of madness and how to define it by studying madness from 1500 to 1800--from the Middle Ages when insanity was considered part of everyday life and fools and madmen walked the streets, to the point when these people began to be considered a threat, asylums were built for the first time, and a wall was erected between the insane and the rest of humanity.   Introduction by Jose Barchilon, M.D.  Translated by Richard Howard.

My uncle defined insanity as doing the same thing over again and again and expecting different results.
This male I leaned so much from said that detachment was akin to insanity.
And speaking of detachment, in that way, genius and insanity both involve a certain level of detahcment but one is healthy, obviously and the other is not.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Apr 8, 2005 @ 6:03am
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Originally posted by LITTLE SARAH...

there's ALOT, that's a ridiculous statement


well I assumed it would be BLATANTLY obvious that I was over-exagerating. To be perfectly litteral:

There was a *significant amount of very influential painters who were not famous until they died
*significant: enough to make one wonder
what it say about human nature.
*one: me

such as:

rembrant: was considered by many as the greatest dutch painter, had serious financial and bankrupt issues due to lack of success as a painter

Degas: one of the first and most influential impressionist, continued art in sculpture after he went blind

pollock : one of the revolutionists involved in abtract impressionism in 1950`s

cézanne: reffered to by some as the father of art, many destroyed and unfinished works probably due to his frustration and lack of confidence from lack of success.

to name a few
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