Drugs Harm/dependence Chart
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X a répondu le Mon 17 Dec, 2007 @ 8:09pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY a répondu le Tue 18 Dec, 2007 @ 2:48am |
 Coolness: 91940 | Where did you get this from? It doesn't look right to me. As far as I'm aware, heroin doesn't cause any physical damage, and tobacco is usually considered the most addictive drug.
"Long term use Despite the myths, heroin is a relatively harmless drug, especially compared to alcohol or nicotine. However, chronic heroin abuse can result in scarred and/or collapsed veins, bacterial infections of the blood vessels and heart valves, abscesses and other soft-tissue infections, and liver or kidney disease. Constipation caused by a combination of poor eating and the effects of the drug on the bowels can lead to haemorrhoids. Addicts can also suffer from malnutrition because they're never hungry." [ www.thegooddrugsguide.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X a répondu le Tue 18 Dec, 2007 @ 10:58am |
| Coolness: 121885 | I got it on Wikipedia, I agree that the "Dependence" rating is not really accurate. I guess is depending on people, some can be really addicted to nicotine some not(like my cousin). For Heroin damage I found this:
"Whatever method is used when taking the drug, heroin affects nearly every organ in the human body. According to the National Institute of Drug Abuse, heroin use causes damage to: * The cardiovascular system (abnormal heart rate, heart attack, collapsed veins and bacterial infections of blood vessels and the heart) * The respiratory system (slowed breathing, blocking air from entering the lungs) * The gastrointestinal system (nausea, vomiting, inflammation of the stomach, chronic constipation, stomach ulcers) * The kidneys (damage or failure, resulting in the need for transplant and/or dialysis) * The liver (damage or failure, requiring transplant and/or interferon treatment) * The brain (alterations of brain circuitry that may create permanent impairment) * The reproductive system (especially, prenatal effects in pregnant women). The same NIDA study reported that, in addition to the effects heroin may have on specific organs, it produces "global body changes," such as dramatic increase or decrease in appetite, or increases in body temperature, which may affect a variety of health conditions." [ drugeffects.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horus a répondu le Tue 18 Dec, 2007 @ 12:01pm |
 Coolness: 41000 | Well you can hardly count on NIDA to be objective with regards to this.
I dunno about you, but they state that alcohol is quite a bit less damaging than ritalin... Anyone see a problem with that? I'm not going to talk about anabolic steroids, I swear. More damaging than alcohol huh? OMFG Talk about some crazy bias right there... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY a répondu le Tue 18 Dec, 2007 @ 12:12pm |
| Coolness: 91940 | Originally Posted By M-A-X I GOT IT ON WIKIPEDIA, I AGREE THAT THE "DEPENDENCE" RATING IS NOT REALLY ACCURATE. I GUESS IS DEPENDING ON PEOPLE, SOME CAN BE REALLY ADDICTED TO NICOTINE SOME NOT(LIKE MY COUSIN). FOR HEROIN DAMAGE I FOUND THIS: "WHATEVER METHOD IS USED WHEN TAKING THE DRUG, HEROIN AFFECTS NEARLY EVERY ORGAN IN THE HUMAN BODY. ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF DRUG ABUSE, HEROIN USE CAUSES DAMAGE TO: * THE CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM (ABNORMAL HEART RATE, HEART ATTACK, COLLAPSED VEINS AND BACTERIAL INFECTIONS OF BLOOD VESSELS AND THE HEART) * THE RESPIRATORY SYSTEM (SLOWED BREATHING, BLOCKING AIR FROM ENTERING THE LUNGS) * THE GASTROINTESTINAL SYSTEM (NAUSEA, VOMITING, INFLAMMATION OF THE STOMACH, CHRONIC CONSTIPATION, STOMACH ULCERS) * THE KIDNEYS (DAMAGE OR FAILURE, RESULTING IN THE NEED FOR TRANSPLANT AND/OR DIALYSIS) * THE LIVER (DAMAGE OR FAILURE, REQUIRING TRANSPLANT AND/OR INTERFERON TREATMENT) * THE BRAIN (ALTERATIONS OF BRAIN CIRCUITRY THAT MAY CREATE PERMANENT IMPAIRMENT) * THE REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM (ESPECIALLY, PRENATAL EFFECTS IN PREGNANT WOMEN). THE SAME NIDA STUDY REPORTED THAT, IN ADDITION TO THE EFFECTS HEROIN MAY HAVE ON SPECIFIC ORGANS, IT PRODUCES "GLOBAL BODY CHANGES," SUCH AS DRAMATIC INCREASE OR DECREASE IN APPETITE, OR INCREASES IN BODY TEMPERATURE, WHICH MAY AFFECT A VARIETY OF HEALTH CONDITIONS." [ DRUGEFFECTS.ORG ]
I guess it depends on what kind of heroin use we're referring to - do we assume that the heroin is clean or cut with all kinds of dangerous contaminants? Shooting, snorting or smoking? If shooinng, using clean needles or dirty ones? I think its fair to assume that the information from NIDA is going to assume the most dangerous conditions possible, many of which exist only because of the laws prohibiting its use. It all leads back to the wonderfully circular argument for prohibition: Why are drugs illegal? Because they're dangerous, idiot! How do we know they're dangerous? Because they're illegal, dipshit! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Tue 18 Dec, 2007 @ 10:41pm |
 Coolness: 145450 | "It all leads back to the wonderfully circular argument for prohibition:
Why are drugs illegal? Because they're dangerous, idiot! How do we know they're dangerous? Because they're illegal, dipshit!" hillarious. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Wed 19 Dec, 2007 @ 10:48am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X a répondu le Wed 19 Dec, 2007 @ 1:40pm |
| Coolness: 121885 | I checked for other graphics on the net...they are very similar to the one I posted. So I guess by the info I get from [ drugeffects.org ] and the graphics I got, Heroin is very dangerous(dah!). Good to see that extacy do less damage than pot =D
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Shindy a répondu le Wed 19 Dec, 2007 @ 2:52pm |
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Nice to know... so better be an e-tard then a Pothead! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf a répondu le Wed 19 Dec, 2007 @ 3:39pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY a répondu le Wed 19 Dec, 2007 @ 5:48pm |
| Coolness: 91940 | No chart is going to convince me that pot is more dangerous than LSD or ecstasy, c'mon! I've known people that smoke pot 2-3 times a day, and aside from being a little spaced out and forgetful, they seem fine.
Imagine taking 2-3 pills of ecstasy or hits of acid a day, you'd be fuuuuuuuucked pretty quickly. I guess its pretty hard to judge which drug is worse than another because it varies from person to person, some people can do a few lines of coke every few months on special occasions and be completely okay, while others end up really addicted, maxing out their parents' credit cards, destroying their lives and worst of all, listening to really bad music. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Wed 19 Dec, 2007 @ 8:13pm |
 Coolness: 158485 | This graph does not quantify the dosages taken. A joint a day does not equal a pill or line a day. This is rubbish.
You'd have to quantify the "buzz" factor to properly assess similitudes/differences in dependence and danger. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Shindy a répondu le Thu 20 Dec, 2007 @ 2:01pm |
| Coolness: 172090 | but, but, but aaaawwww .... :(
;) ok just kidding, but still, everyone who says that Pot does not change behavior or does not cause any harm is in complete denial if you ask me ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X a répondu le Thu 20 Dec, 2007 @ 11:14pm |
| Coolness: 121885 | The true question that come when I look these graphics is...
Does mastubation cause harm??? hahaha, seriously, I dont really agree with these graphics too but who im gonna trust? Scientists said VS my own beliefs is a bit hard to argue. Maybe its a question of "per quantity" im not a expert but im gonna try this... Drug A at 0,01 mg do 0.1 harm Drug B at 0,01 mg do 0.2 harm Drug B look to do more damage than the drug A at start BUT Drug A damage raise at exponential 6 and drug B damage raise at only exponential 3 So drug A will be more harmful after a certain quantity than Drug B even if this one was more harmful at start. Also the purity of the samples can play a major role. Thats what I think... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Fri 21 Dec, 2007 @ 5:52am |
 Coolness: 146575 | ... and how much you need for each drug to make a dose (which should be a range, not an average quantity)
... and which other things does this quantity depends on, like the subject's weight, age, physical condition, mental condition, past experience, etc etc... ... and so many other parameters that are often impossible to quantify or estimate (even for oneself) so, reducing such a hard problem to this simple a chart is quite meaningless, in my opinion. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Fri 21 Dec, 2007 @ 5:07pm |
 Coolness: 76960 | I'm unwilling to accept that Tobacco isn't higher on the scale than Ketamine, and that Acid is higher on the scale than Khat. Khat is highly addictive and fairly dangerous as well... if it's on the list why would they put it on the bottom? Tobacco is also more addictive than cocaine, and crack should be second to heroin. Also to have Acid higher up than Ecstasy baffles me. I think the statistics have been tampered with to suit scheduling of drugs. Man, weed is even higher up than Ecstasy. I CALL BULLSHIT! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X a répondu le Sat 22 Dec, 2007 @ 1:24pm |
| Coolness: 121885 | Like I said before, its probably a question of quantity. The scale dont go higher than 3, maybe at scale 6-10 is totally different results. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 22 Dec, 2007 @ 2:46pm |
 Coolness: 685840 | I don't care how much weed you smoke, a weeks worth of smoking a 7 a day does WAY less damage to your brain than ONE pill of mdma once a week, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking tool. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Sat 22 Dec, 2007 @ 6:58pm |
 Coolness: 106365 | Yeah, lung cancer is way better than being an e-tard. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY a répondu le Sat 22 Dec, 2007 @ 8:43pm |
| Coolness: 91940 | Bottom line is, there's no absolutely objective way of saying "drug X is worse than drug Y".
Firstly, we don't necessarily know all the possible side effects of any drug. For example, the question as to whether MDMA is neurotoxic or not at recreational doses is still up in the air. Secondly, since different drugs have different types of side effects, its hard to make absolute judgements as to which is worse. Is the depression you experience the day after taking E a more or less severe side effect than the chance of getting lung cancer in forty years from smoking weed? Finally, and most importantly, judging how harmful a drug is involves making all sorts of assumptions about how much of it is being used, what the purity is, how responsible the user is, and so forth. Someone who does MDMA once a month from a reliable source, and takes sensible precautions while on the drug, is obviously at much less risk than someone who pops multiple E pills every weekend that he gets from sketchy dealers. So, basically what i'm saying is that really the only thing we can conlude is that "the way most people use drug X tends to produce more harm than the way most people use drug Y". Sure, cocaine is usually considered much worse than weed, but if you compare someone who smokes three joints a day, causing him to be frequently late for work, lethargic, slow, and anxious, that's way worse than someone who does coke a few times a year on special occasions. |
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