le village des valeurs c'est trop la meilleure place, ou genre les sous-sols d'église...
et puis après y'a l'étape machine-à-coudre parce que y'a toujours de quoi à faire avec des vêtements pour les rendre plus le fun,
et puis euuuh c'est ça la... à mon avis du linge neuf et trendy c'est toujours pareil c'est plate tout le monde en a et ça a pas de personnalité dictincte.

j'en ai déjà cherché... mais j'en avais pas trouvé parce que j'étais juste pas assez déterminée mais on m'a parlé d'un magasin de noix sur la rue bélanger qui en auraient peut-être... sauf que j'sais ni l'adresse ni dans quel boutte de bélanger. en tout cas est-ce que quelqu'un connait ce magasin-là?

and... it is only cultural appropriation if you believe it is yours.

let the people believe what they want. let the people sell symbols. they are not your soul, they are symbols. your soul can never be sold. we are too attached to our symbols. it is sad people sell them and it is sad people buy them, but ignorance is ignorance, and no matter how much money they spend they will not find true spirituaity unless they detach from it all.

i know how they feel though, like their spirituality is pure and we are dirtying it with money, the same way we did with christianity and all these other religions. but this is image. this is surface. this is superficial toc toc. no one really knows who you are inside unless thay know who they are inside. and when they know this they will never disrespect you because they know we are the same.

we are not stealing when we are understanding. i have been raised as a christian and it took me hinduism and shamanism and lsd to really know what christianism is. all religions are the same, no matter what symbol you use for it. come on. it's just symbols. we are more than this. people not seeing people equal is actually the major problem we are facing now. it is what keeps us from having a true spirituality, detached from material ownership and icons. to the eyes of god we are all equal. to the eyes of the great spirit we are equal. to the eyes of the buddha we are all equal.

we have to get over ourselves. detachment is a great lesson in life. it is one with the spiritual path. they are all paths to go to the same oneness in the end - death. some religions have been corrupted, that doesn't mean i should follow it because it is the one i was born 'under'. seeing the truth in every religion helps seeing the bigger truth.

(this picture is not an appropriate reply. all young people are confused and searching who they are. it's part of life. we're spaeking adults here.)

(sorry for so many replies, but i still have things to say.)

there is nothing wrong with those articles. they are very efficiently pinning a problem of society. but you are attacking the wrong thing with them. raves are not 'selling spiritual culture' unless you see the rave as a commercial thing.

what is a rave for you? what do you look for in a rave? why are you sick of seeing these things?

it obviously has nothing to do with those articles because no one paid for the art and symbolism you see. they are just an expression of what the world is, of our ideals, of our beliefs, as human being. trance has no nationality. trance is worldwide. trance is globalization. now yes, trance has a problem nowadays of becoming more commercial and less tribal. and notice, in those commercial parties, you won't find any dreamcatchers....... or if you find some, they have been brought by the people who didn't get any money out of the party.

(and this is one important teaching of the hippies that originated the psychedelic movement.)

sophia sophia... though i totally agree with what you say, anger won't lead you anywhere except maybe to heart diseases... ;)

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what you say about dreadlocks is not even true. rastafarians don't own the concept of dreadlocks, sivaites from india, and vickings used to have dreadlocks way before that. they are just naturally occuring when you stop brushing your hair and using conditionner.

if i follow your 'logic', then we shouldn't be having peircings and tatooings either right? and we shouldn't smoke pot, or eat the sacred mushrooms ou listen to reggae music because it is not OUR culture. and tons more of things we shouldn't do. but how about we open up and learn from them? we have the resources for it and those things are teachings.

i am not any culture. i am them all. i am a human, and i am working on understanding what it is to be human from every perspective. it is not your racial features that give you the right to experience and believe in certain things. souls have no colors no nationality and no specific culture. every culture is a different appreciation of what it is to be human.

now that we open up and share, of course there will be people using things wrong. but i think humanity in the long term will get more benefit from sharing, because we will come to realize that WE ARE ALL THE SAME. no one is more 'sacred' or 'spiritual' than the others. and of course anyone looking to make money out of something is full of bullshit, but the people living their own free spirituality should not be stopped because someone thinks they 'own' something. no one owns anything.

i repeat again using a dreamcatcher in a rave is not out of disrespect, it is actually out of respect from the earth that we are dancing upon. we know the amerindians had trance parties too to heal the earth, and the dream catcher reminds us of our roots. we are healers too when we trance dance. we go on vision quests too, or, well, some of us do. we know where we are from and we also know our ancestors were very disrespectful to the amerindians because they imposed their white culture on them. now that our generations finally open up and want to learn from them and show interest because we realize they know, they are accusing people of stealing what is theirs. i understand their collective ego can feel hurt because globalizalization makes everyone realize NO ONE IS NOTHING SPECIAL. everyone is spiritual. everyone is connected to the earth. everyone is life in a body.

what is indian? what is white? blood? skin?
deep inside we are the same.
my spirit has no nation. my blood is blood. my skin is white. my spirit has no nation. my spirit has no nation. i live from the earth. i go on vision quests. i heal with trance. i pray to god. i understand brahma, vishnu and shiva. beyond blood and beyond skin you are my brother. our spirits have no nation.

this is an interesting article, i understand the point of view that is being discussed, but frankly, it is waaay too exagerated to apply this article to the dreamcatchers in raves.

first i'd like to say the guy who teached me to make dreamcatchers is an amerindian shaman that i met in a rave. he knows trance dance. would you put raves in that same category as the dream catchers because they are a sacred ritual of trance, even though most people don't even realize it...
thing is, parties ARE a spiritual experience for a lot of us, and the dream catcher really fits in there. you know how it works right? the good dreams go through the center, while the bad dreams stay stuck in the web and are destroyed by the first rays of sunshine. well the rave is like a dream, but we are awake. the dreamcatchers protect the people dancing from the bad energies that would be nightmares.

though there is one really important thing mentionned in this article; spirituality should NEVER be sold. if someone is trying to sell you spirituality and you buy it, you're both fucking morons who didn't get it at all, and i understand the amerindians to be frustrated of this.

but this new-age thing really has nothing to do at all with the raves. when i do deco i never get paid. you don't pay for the dreamcatchers when you go to a rave, most of your money goes into renting the room and the dj stuff, etc.

selling culture is stupid, but sharing culture is good.

time in the way i know it defies rationnal thinking because i perceive it intuitively. though i can unite both sides and when they harmonize no word is needed. i am living time and i am gonna make another use of my life time now. ;)

time is a whole. time is now.
sometimes now is boring. which is long. you get conscious of every movement of the clock. sometimes now is fun, which is short. mostly it is this way. sometimes though fun is long, like eating slowly and enjoying it.
time is what we decide it is, every moment.
i may be simple minded yet i have an understanding of time and i say it. maybe you don't understand because your mind is too complicated. that is not my problem though.
i like saying things about time. i like time when i say things about time. it is fun.

life has no beginning of end. well your life does, but life in the whole does not. people die everyday and life eats their bodies and continues on to the next day. cycles of life. cycles = time.

the way something can be short and long at the same time is because there are many beings experiencing the same time with many different perspectives. while i'm waiting for the bus in the cold (loooooong hehe) you are having fun and your time feels short because it is filled. i'm sure you experienced this, looong seconds ticking before the bell rings in class, but soo short lunch breaks.

time is beyond self.
time defies any rationnal thinking.

i have a question for you people...

time you must learn to use it to really know it's value.
time can be really long and really short.
time is expressed through cycles.
time is infinite.
time is life.

we have to do something about this, though i'm not sure on how to proceed.

i do not choose to follow anyone blindly
by all means write what you mean and re-read it to be sure.

are your eyes circles?

i do not choose to follow him blindly. once again, speak for YOUR self, not mine.

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some people are actually open enough to listen and take the meaning of the words.

hay man, speak for your self, cause you are not everyone out there.

you are so very right in your deepest purpose,
and you have the power to inspire all those,
if only like a tree you would learn how to bend
and take a little time to stop all and listen

being right by your side is somthing we can't stand
cause you speak for hours and say we should listen
you are nothing special yet you take all the place
and the things that we say are never given chance

well have fun being unequal and playing mind games,
just know that when you try to be high you end up being low
when you just live the truth and recognize the people around you
equal is equal.
look at the whole.

what is the association between the green party and weed? i thought that was parti marijuana??

i don't think researching for alternative solutions to our problems is murdering the economy. i you want to construct solar pannels or wind power or electric cars you are actually creating jobs in sectors that need encouragement anyways. the current government just won't bother though because they are too busy... self-promoting??

lucid dreams take practice. the trick that has been given to me on how to wake is during the day when you know you're awake look at your hand, and be conscious that you are awake, say the words out loud 'i am awake' 'i may be dreaming, but i am awake, i am in control of my actions' and realize it deeply. this will have an positive affect on your wake life (being more conscious), and in the long time when you catch this as almost a habit, you'll start doing it in your dreams too, and you'll awake.

time is turning, elections happen every four years.
it's never too late.

there is a petition going around for the grren party to be allowed in the official debates on TV. they have good points and they can't express them and this considerably takes seriousness and credibility from them, and it is time that their voices are heard as loud as others.

we all know the earth is sick and people still keep their eyes closed, debating on money and reputations... WAKE UP PEOPLE! :P

anyways... here is the link if you wanna sign it.
[ www.info-greenparty.ca ]

svp arrêtez!
vous avez aucune idée de quoi vous parlez, vraiment.
et c'est pas d'étaler vos préjugés spirituels qui va changer quelque chose.

et puis vraiment, j'aimerais savoir quoi faire... mais ma patience a ses limites.
et puis vous arrangez rien en parlant comme vous faites.

but it works! my cousin got one that way...

my head feels like a frisbee! star shpongled banner!
all of them, really! :p

haha you too :)

shpongle!

hm... what exactly is positive music? immediately shpongle came to my mind because it makes me feel good... buuut... i don't know. reggae music is mostly positive too right?

that's what he wants though... it'll give him a reason to say we don't understand and we are stupid not to 'get it' or something

yeah man, please get your spirit back on earth.

eclipse
harvest
digital flux
mofarlo family gathering

nous aussi on est deux qui se cherchent un lift, SVP envoyez un private message si vous avez de la place, merci!

soma is expensive.

l'endroit etait trop hot! j'aime ca un rave ou on peut courir partout, on jouait a la tag dans la salle drumnbass, pis si t'aime pas la musique quelque part tu fais juste changer de place, c'est genial!
la musique qui jouait juste avant le lever de soleil dans la salle psy etait bonne la wow j'en reviens pas.
y'avait plein de monde super le fun, j'aime tellement ca quand mes amis viennent raver aussi, ca fait de la vibe sur un dancefloor! aerial raver j'suis super contente d'avoir pu parler un peu avec toi, je t'aime, plur!! :)
hm pour ce qui est du gateau... je sais pas trop la, j'en ai mange deux bouchees parce que j'ai tellement lu sur les forums qu'il etait puissant et qu'il allait tout me fucker pis j'voulais pas etre trop vedge. pis la j'me sentais comme sur la e toute la soiree sans avoir fait de e. yai. en tout cas le gateau y'etait bon pis y goutait suspect. :) :)
vraiment la c'etait un suuuper extra bon party! :) :) :)

the green party, because of the pressure of the people, have had to position themselves on that matter.
but in reality the green party holds the green flag, the flag of the Earth. and the Earth has no boundaries, only land and water. that we must save NOW before it's too late. only when we'll have applied all the solutions then we'll go back to the 'rights of language' and stuff like that.
but that's a couple elections away. what we need right now is solutions to the biggest problem. and the biggest problem is not which language the people speak...

ahh merde get over this! des vieilles chicanes de vieux qui sont pas capable de vivre en harmonie parce qu'ils parlent pas la même langue... on a tellement plus important à régler que ces vieilles histoires-là!!!

la terre est en train de nous lacher pis on s'en calisse vraiment dans quelle langue qu'on va régler l'affaire, mais tsé faut faire de quoi de différent pour une fois pis ça presse!

fleur de lys, feuille d'érable, j'me calisse de vos symboles minables
fleur de lys, feuille d'érable, lachez-moé j'pus capable!