Exsatcy Laced With Meth
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» deadandgone replied on Mon Jul 28, 2008 @ 7:48pm |
 Coolness: 63170 | omg no wai!
Meth in pills?! Never woulda know. I mean seriously. Addictive? Psscha, as if. -_- |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Mon Jul 28, 2008 @ 7:51pm |
 Coolness: 94225 | word...but then you have to be able to analyse the graphs. And analysing graphs is way mote difficult than analysing colors.
Like Blue = MDA VS Spike between 800 and 900 might indicate a nitride branch, a benzine ring, or a 3 bond carbon. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Mon Jul 28, 2008 @ 7:57pm |
 Coolness: 89370 | I'm no expert on chromatography, but depending on which gas or solvent you use isnt there a way to better pinpoint the exact molecule you are looking for? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Mon Jul 28, 2008 @ 7:59pm |
| Coolness: 94225 | im probably thinking of spectromotogy. Either way, you would probably know more. I fail at chemistry. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Mon Jul 28, 2008 @ 8:01pm |
| Coolness: 89370 | Bah only from experience, I've been working for a major pharmaceutical company for almost 8 years and spent 4 of those years working for research and development. Let's just say if you have an open mind, enjoy science and have the will to learn there's a hell of a lot of things you can learn without having to take chemistry.
I have a base, but I dont know much of the specifics, either or I chose art over science so I fail just as bad :P The boys in the synthesis labs could answer quite a few questions, I think I might just inquire about chromatography this week and see what they have to say. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 9:50am |
 Coolness: 47980 | hahahahahahahaa
Strik_IX: you are soooo clueless While the chemical name for MDMA contains the word "methamphetamine", it is COMPLETELY different from methamphetamine In fact, it doesn't contain the same molecule AT ALL Compare the methamphetamine molecule to the MDMA molecule side by side - the MDMA one is NOT an extension of the MA molecule. You are one of those "self-taught" people that think they know everything about drugs and pharmaceuticals when, in fact, they are completely clueless. Stop spreading BS. Gas chromatography would show you they are completely different. Furthermore, you've clearly never used a testing kit. They can DEFINITELY differentiate METH from MDMA like substances - in one case it turns PURPLE (ecstasy like substance), while in the other it turns ORANGE (methamphetamine). Then you can do more tests to narrow down whether it's MDMA, MDA, MDEA, etc. Stop spreading bullshit if you don't know what you're talking about. That's how people get hurt. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 10:11am |
 Coolness: 158965 | The fuck are you on? The only molecular difference between MDMA and Meth is the introduction of an oxygen atom.
And if Strik is misinformed, it will only cause people not to take either drug, which is my opinion does NOT HURT ANYONE. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MattWood replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:05am |
 Coolness: 40110 | I'm curious, is there an organization like DanceSafe in Montreal? I know back on the west coast we had IslandKidz. They would basically set up a table at parties with free pill testing and drug info flyers (also lots of condoms and lube and info on safe sex). I've started seeing similar flyers at a few clubnights and also at Piknik, but no pill testing as of yet.
Also, to clarify: Marquis reagent test will detect presence of Methamphetamine/Amphetamine Sulphate(Speed). Mecke reagent test will not. You can use Mecke, Marquis, and Simons reagents in tandem to test for DXM, 2C-B, 2C-T-7, MDA, MDE, MDMA, Methamphetamine, and Amphetamine. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:15am |
| Coolness: 47980 | NO
Other than having "methamphetamine" in its chemical name, they are not the same at all MDMA is not an extension of the methamphetamine molecule. It is has a different base molecule. MDMA: [ www.moleculewear.com ] Meth: [ www.moleculewear.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:35am |
 Coolness: 159850 | Originally Posted By DAINJA
hahahahahahahaa Strik_IX: you are soooo clueless Stop spreading BS. Gas chromatography would show you they are completely different. Stop spreading bullshit if you don't know what you're talking about. That's how people get hurt. Where did Strik_IX mentioned he was an expert on the subject and that we should all listen to HIM, exactly ? Are you a chemist ? Did you manufacture ecstasy at one point in time ? Why should we believe you more than him ? Just because " he's wrong I'm right, trust me on this " ? If ANYONE on this board takes ANYONE's post as an absolute reference to ANYTHING, their gullibility is what's dangerous. Strik_IX just voiced his thoughts, opinions and his own personal knowledge on the subject and it's everyone's prerogative to believe him or not. You have your own theory, which is fine, but let's share knowledge, not battle it out to see who the bigger expert. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:39am |
 Coolness: 85665 | [ www.aapsj.org ]
exerpt: "Methamphetamine (METH) and its derivative 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; ecstasy) are 2 substituted amphetamines with very high abuse liability in the United States. These amphetamine-like stimulants have been associated with loss of multiple markers for dopaminergic and serotonergic terminals in the brain. Among other causes, oxidative stress, excitotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction appear to play a major role in the neurotoxicity produced by the substituted amphetamines. The present review will focus on these events and how they interact and converge to produce the monoaminergic depletions that are typically observed after METH or MDMA administration. In addition, more recently identified consequences of METH or MDMA-induced oxidative stress, excitotoxicity, and mitochondrial dysfunction are described in relation to the classical markers of METH-induced damage to dopamine terminals." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:40am |
 Coolness: 686320 | Originally Posted By VERSION18MINUS1
Where did Strik_IX mentioned he was an expert on the subject and that we should all listen to HIM, exactly ? Are you a chemist ? Now, chances are I'm totally mixing up ravewave users, but didn't Strik9 actually work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company for a few years? I dunno about you, but I'd rate his 'opinions' on the subject of chemical composition a little higher than the average pill-popping DJ. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:44am |
| Coolness: 159850 | No, he wasn't a chemist but he still works for a pharmaceutical company like he mentioned earlier, he knows quite a few chemists over there whom he could ask for precisions on the matter.
And yes, I do rate his opinion a shitload higher than one else here on the matter, for the record. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 11:47am |
| Coolness: 85665 | *cough*mypost*cough |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 12:06pm |
 Coolness: 69035 | wow u guys are realy smart i am learning alot here....keep talking.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 12:15pm |
 Coolness: 163230 | sure, there's methamphetamines in the chemical description of the molecule, but of course it's got nothing to do with methamphetamines. Gosh
Everyone knows H20 is water - not some oxygen shit .... Mattwood: Montreal has Grip, which sets up booth, provides free drug information, condoms, lubes and candies (amongst other things) in events, but no pill testing kit so far as a the organisation is mostly G-funded and our dear ministers are pretty touchy when it comes to harm reduction initiatives ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 12:43pm |
| Coolness: 69035 | Grip is good ya...I have seen them at a couple of parties.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 1:17pm |
| Coolness: 47980 | of course they're derivatives
...just like MDA, MDEA, amphetamine, etc. But MDMA does not contain the methamphetamine molecule, and has completely different effects on the brain. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 1:22pm |
| Coolness: 89370 | Originally Posted By DAINJA
NO Other than having "methamphetamine" in its chemical name, they are not the same at all MDMA is not an extension of the methamphetamine molecule. It is has a different base molecule. MDMA: [ www.moleculewear.com ] Meth: [ www.moleculewear.com ] Nice to see someone shoot themselves in the foot like that... Try analyzing both graphs, come back and try to run your mouth again afterwards. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Tue Jul 29, 2008 @ 1:26pm |
 Coolness: 159500 | ...
Where are my old org chem manuals when I need 'em? :( |
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